Fallout countdown timer appears on official site

[bioshards]

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KiCHo666 wrote: Please don't be dumbed down....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down......

d81 wrote: If Skyrim is any indication I expect the worst...but still (idiotically) hope for the best.

Camonna Tong wrote: Quite a bit of the "dumbing down" had to do with the consoles, so it won't be as bad. Morrowind, which is my favorite, had the most dumbing down of them all. I've not had problems with most of the dumbing down. Stuff like the Classes being removed I agreed with. Post-Daggerfall classes had no real point besides affecting your level rate and how high your level can be.

jim_uk wrote: If it follows the Elder Scrolls pattern then each game will be dumber than the last with important stuff stripped out to make way for pointless fluff, hopefully mods can correct that.

Gopher wrote: @jim_uk I disagree. I don't think the TES games have been dumbed down at all. I have been playing since Daggerfall, and the only thing I would say is 'dumbed down' in Skyrim is the magic/enchanting system. I understand why they had to do that (and it had nothing to do with consoles), but I didn't like it.

Bloodinfested wrote: You could write a small novel on the amount of dumb down in TES so I wouldn’t get your hopes up bud accept reality...

jim_uk wrote: @Gopher You can't be serious? the rot started with Oblivion, that's when quests become nothing but follow the arrow and do what you're told, even then when you arrived at the generic cave that the arrow led you to you got a pop up telling you that you should go in, the game had a never ending tutorial.

Fallout 3 was a little better but not by much, again it was a case of follow the arrow and do what you're told. Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.

Bethesdas games have no meaningful choices, no consequences, quests work in complete isolation from each other making the world incoherent. Their standard of writing is nothing short of atrocious, this leads to dull stories and one dimensional NPCs who all seem to be suffering from various types of mental illness.

Bethesda's games give the illusion of freedom when in reality there is none, the quests are no different to single player Call of Duty, you're not free to think for yourself, to make any choices in how any of it plays out, the only choice you have is do the quest now or do it later. Look at all the choices and paths New Vegas offers and then compare it to Fallout 3.

As modding platforms Bethesdas titles are second to none, as RPGs they're garbage.

Natterforme wrote: I think its a little early to start the PC vs consoles trash talk. That horse has been beaten to death a million times over on the internet and serves no purpose here.

:ets wait and see what this announcement actually is before we make assumptions of the future of Fallout.

-Natterforme

jet4571 wrote: There is other dumbing down, skills and perks in Skyrim are not as robust as the previous titles. Then there's the whole outfit system that went from Oblivion allowing the player to mix and match top and bottom along with shoes, gloves, and hats to FO3's lack of choices that has continued to Skyrim.

falloutchad wrote: I am actually so anxious right now, So so worried they will change direction of what we the people want. All i want is basically a better version of FNV combined with Fo3 and Skyrim using the updated Gamebryo engine that Skyrim was on. And if they added co-op (big IF i know) that would be even better.

But I'd really like to see an advance on skills and character progression, along with more in depth game play and narrative. And yes Gopher the games have become dumbed down because of consoles and yes they have/are being held back by consoles but yes IF Fo4 is mod-able then we modder's can fix the dumbness.

I just really hope Fo4 isn't taking the "For casual gamers" route sooo many games are taking.

marthgun wrote: Since Morrowind i have felt the open world has gotten progressively smaller and less filled.

mods can fix anything but a small map. I just hope they made it massive. We can fill the rest

KiCHo666 wrote: Well, mods can't add completely new skills, add weapon degradation (that is not clumsy), change any of hardcoded mechanics the game uses or add VATS if it's removed (hopefuly it's still there).

Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect the worst.

haxbox wrote: Hey. Heard about one game. They call it "LIFE". P-fff. What a nonsense


P.S Really, games are not meant to imitate real life. Just to kill our time.

jim_uk wrote: @jet4571 Indeed http://i.imgur.com/xLgRoAt.png

KiCHo666 wrote: My prediction of next TES game.

jim_uk wrote: And two spells, "Heal Me" and "Shiny Thing".

Bloodinfested wrote: That might not be too far off sadly... maybe a fire spell

I guess modders can fix some of the catastrophic mess but your at a point now where your almost redesigning an entire game. Stuff like reputation would be hard to throw back in Daggerfall for example everything you did had an effect on the world to npcs to other factions and would lead to one of 6 different endings, Skyrim nothing you do matters.

bioshards wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath, bethesda is known for this and they will without hesitation. the announced that they removed attributes from fallout now.

bioshards wrote: I completely agree with gopher, skyrim is not dumbed down at all. unless you count removing attributes completely, removing stats that governed movement, NPCs you cant kill, items you can't drop, weapon types removed, quest arrows, less enemy types, less enemy characteristics (weaknesses and resistances), linear dungeons, no acknowledgement for player actions or faction rank, no classes and no barrier to entry for any specialization, nerfed racial abilities, all utility and stealth related magic removed with the exception of invisibility, endgame player power potential reduced significantly, very close-ended diplomacy system, reduced the influence of stats significantly, no weapon or armor degradation.... you get the picture

djhater wrote: Considering Tim Cain is NOT Lead on the games.........
Fallout 3 and 4 are NOT the direction the Original creator of Fallout (Tim Cain)
( "My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun." )
"FEV was supposed to be localized to CA" AS stated by the Original Fallout creator
" I think FO3 they should have taken it off in a different direction more"
"New Vegas is very good and comes closer to FO1 for me than any of the other games."

History of Fallout from the Creator

ALL OF YOU NEED TO WATCH THESE BEFORE YOU COMMENT NONSENSE ABOUT FALLOUT
ALSO YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE CREATOR OF FALLOUT ORIGINAL VISION FOR THE WORLD/LORE.

Doesn't matter if 1st/3rd/iso view or 1994 vs 2015
It's still Tim Cain's Vision and World that he created and Bethesda/Todd Howard ...Ruined.


TES =
Skyrim = "Roleplaying for Retards" "Running Similator"
Some common quotes Skyrim/TES players =
"I spent over 200 hrs exploring every inch of the world" (running around in circles)
"I can roleplay" I always LOL@ that! You make a "character" with meaningless stats that have no impact on the world.
"I so much loot to find "
"Immersion" so much "immersion"
"I can level up all my stats"(perfect character)


That "Gopher" clown rambles a lot of nonsense all the time! (I think has Aspergers)
Fallout 3 = Story from 1 + 2 basically copying

weijiesen wrote:

Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.

Everything jim_uk said.

"I don't think Skyrim was dumbed down" is not a valid rebuttal.
At least write some evidence of proof of exactly HOW it wasn't dumbed down in a feeble attempt to outweigh all the things listed of how it was dumbed down...

I completely agree with gopher, skyrim is not dumbed down at all. unless you count removing attributes completely, removing stats that governed movement, NPCs you cant kill, items you can't drop, weapon types removed, quest arrows, less enemy types, less enemy characteristics (weaknesses and resistances), linear dungeons, no acknowledgement for player actions or faction rank, no classes and no barrier to entry for any specialization, nerfed racial abilities, all utility and stealth related magic removed with the exception of invisibility, endgame player power potential reduced significantly, very close-ended diplomacy system, reduced the influence of stats significantly, no weapon or armor degradation.... you get the picture

Dammit Carlos.... that's the most spot-on comment I've seen from you :)
Kudos to you

shotgun188 wrote: @Marthgun: Oblivion has a bigger map than Morrowind. So does Skyrim.

oldnotweak wrote: they only have a larger map because they did away with levitation in oblivion. and in skyrim they removed any ability to do anything underwater too... next we wont be able to jump and after that it will become a phone app

bioshards wrote: size of the map a game doth not make

map size doth not an RPG make

[Bloodinfested]

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KiCHo666 wrote: Please don't be dumbed down....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down......

d81 wrote: If Skyrim is any indication I expect the worst...but still (idiotically) hope for the best.

Camonna Tong wrote: Quite a bit of the "dumbing down" had to do with the consoles, so it won't be as bad. Morrowind, which is my favorite, had the most dumbing down of them all. I've not had problems with most of the dumbing down. Stuff like the Classes being removed I agreed with. Post-Daggerfall classes had no real point besides affecting your level rate and how high your level can be.

jim_uk wrote: If it follows the Elder Scrolls pattern then each game will be dumber than the last with important stuff stripped out to make way for pointless fluff, hopefully mods can correct that.

Gopher wrote: @jim_uk I disagree. I don't think the TES games have been dumbed down at all. I have been playing since Daggerfall, and the only thing I would say is 'dumbed down' in Skyrim is the magic/enchanting system. I understand why they had to do that (and it had nothing to do with consoles), but I didn't like it.

Bloodinfested wrote: You could write a small novel on the amount of dumb down in TES so I wouldn’t get your hopes up bud accept reality...

jim_uk wrote: @Gopher You can't be serious? the rot started with Oblivion, that's when quests become nothing but follow the arrow and do what you're told, even then when you arrived at the generic cave that the arrow led you to you got a pop up telling you that you should go in, the game had a never ending tutorial.

Fallout 3 was a little better but not by much, again it was a case of follow the arrow and do what you're told. Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.

Bethesdas games have no meaningful choices, no consequences, quests work in complete isolation from each other making the world incoherent. Their standard of writing is nothing short of atrocious, this leads to dull stories and one dimensional NPCs who all seem to be suffering from various types of mental illness.

Bethesda's games give the illusion of freedom when in reality there is none, the quests are no different to single player Call of Duty, you're not free to think for yourself, to make any choices in how any of it plays out, the only choice you have is do the quest now or do it later. Look at all the choices and paths New Vegas offers and then compare it to Fallout 3.

As modding platforms Bethesdas titles are second to none, as RPGs they're garbage.

Natterforme wrote: I think its a little early to start the PC vs consoles trash talk. That horse has been beaten to death a million times over on the internet and serves no purpose here.

:ets wait and see what this announcement actually is before we make assumptions of the future of Fallout.

-Natterforme

jet4571 wrote: There is other dumbing down, skills and perks in Skyrim are not as robust as the previous titles. Then there's the whole outfit system that went from Oblivion allowing the player to mix and match top and bottom along with shoes, gloves, and hats to FO3's lack of choices that has continued to Skyrim.

falloutchad wrote: I am actually so anxious right now, So so worried they will change direction of what we the people want. All i want is basically a better version of FNV combined with Fo3 and Skyrim using the updated Gamebryo engine that Skyrim was on. And if they added co-op (big IF i know) that would be even better.

But I'd really like to see an advance on skills and character progression, along with more in depth game play and narrative. And yes Gopher the games have become dumbed down because of consoles and yes they have/are being held back by consoles but yes IF Fo4 is mod-able then we modder's can fix the dumbness.

I just really hope Fo4 isn't taking the "For casual gamers" route sooo many games are taking.

marthgun wrote: Since Morrowind i have felt the open world has gotten progressively smaller and less filled.

mods can fix anything but a small map. I just hope they made it massive. We can fill the rest

KiCHo666 wrote: Well, mods can't add completely new skills, add weapon degradation (that is not clumsy), change any of hardcoded mechanics the game uses or add VATS if it's removed (hopefuly it's still there).

Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect the worst.

haxbox wrote: Hey. Heard about one game. They call it "LIFE". P-fff. What a nonsense


P.S Really, games are not meant to imitate real life. Just to kill our time.

jim_uk wrote: @jet4571 Indeed http://i.imgur.com/xLgRoAt.png

KiCHo666 wrote: My prediction of next TES game.

jim_uk wrote: And two spells, "Heal Me" and "Shiny Thing".

Bloodinfested wrote: That might not be too far off sadly... maybe a fire spell

I guess modders can fix some of the catastrophic mess but your at a point now where your almost redesigning an entire game. Stuff like reputation would be hard to throw back in Daggerfall for example everything you did had an effect on the world to npcs to other factions and would lead to one of 6 different endings, Skyrim nothing you do matters.

bioshards wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath, bethesda is known for this and they will without hesitation. the announced that they removed attributes from fallout now.

bioshards wrote: I completely agree with gopher, skyrim is not dumbed down at all. unless you count removing attributes completely, removing stats that governed movement, NPCs you cant kill, items you can't drop, weapon types removed, quest arrows, less enemy types, less enemy characteristics (weaknesses and resistances), linear dungeons, no acknowledgement for player actions or faction rank, no classes and no barrier to entry for any specialization, nerfed racial abilities, all utility and stealth related magic removed with the exception of invisibility, endgame player power potential reduced significantly, very close-ended diplomacy system, reduced the influence of stats significantly, no weapon or armor degradation.... you get the picture

djhater wrote: Considering Tim Cain is NOT Lead on the games.........
Fallout 3 and 4 are NOT the direction the Original creator of Fallout (Tim Cain)
( "My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun." )
"FEV was supposed to be localized to CA" AS stated by the Original Fallout creator
" I think FO3 they should have taken it off in a different direction more"
"New Vegas is very good and comes closer to FO1 for me than any of the other games."

History of Fallout from the Creator

ALL OF YOU NEED TO WATCH THESE BEFORE YOU COMMENT NONSENSE ABOUT FALLOUT
ALSO YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE CREATOR OF FALLOUT ORIGINAL VISION FOR THE WORLD/LORE.

Doesn't matter if 1st/3rd/iso view or 1994 vs 2015
It's still Tim Cain's Vision and World that he created and Bethesda/Todd Howard ...Ruined.


TES =
Skyrim = "Roleplaying for Retards" "Running Similator"
Some common quotes Skyrim/TES players =
"I spent over 200 hrs exploring every inch of the world" (running around in circles)
"I can roleplay" I always LOL@ that! You make a "character" with meaningless stats that have no impact on the world.
"I so much loot to find "
"Immersion" so much "immersion"
"I can level up all my stats"(perfect character)


That "Gopher" clown rambles a lot of nonsense all the time! (I think has Aspergers)
Fallout 3 = Story from 1 + 2 basically copying

weijiesen wrote:

Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.

Everything jim_uk said.

"I don't think Skyrim was dumbed down" is not a valid rebuttal.
At least write some evidence of proof of exactly HOW it wasn't dumbed down in a feeble attempt to outweigh all the things listed of how it was dumbed down...

I completely agree with gopher, skyrim is not dumbed down at all. unless you count removing attributes completely, removing stats that governed movement, NPCs you cant kill, items you can't drop, weapon types removed, quest arrows, less enemy types, less enemy characteristics (weaknesses and resistances), linear dungeons, no acknowledgement for player actions or faction rank, no classes and no barrier to entry for any specialization, nerfed racial abilities, all utility and stealth related magic removed with the exception of invisibility, endgame player power potential reduced significantly, very close-ended diplomacy system, reduced the influence of stats significantly, no weapon or armor degradation.... you get the picture

Dammit Carlos.... that's the most spot-on comment I've seen from you :)
Kudos to you

shotgun188 wrote: @Marthgun: Oblivion has a bigger map than Morrowind. So does Skyrim.

oldnotweak wrote: they only have a larger map because they did away with levitation in oblivion. and in skyrim they removed any ability to do anything underwater too... next we wont be able to jump and after that it will become a phone app

bioshards wrote: double post, sorry

bioshards wrote: map size doth not an RPG make

Morrowind was originally going to be all of Morrowind but end up getting restricted to the island of Vvardenfell due to memory limitations on the console end. Originally it would have been larger but how the fast travel was implemented gave an illusion of it being larger. Morrowind is one of those games that end up getting far more right then wrong vs the entire series.

[Deleted54170User]

The Fallout 4 scene Map. Can our little computers make the map bigger by removing borders, just like the border remover for Oblvion?

[EnigManic]

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KiCHo666 wrote: Please don't be dumbed down....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down......

d81 wrote: If Skyrim is any indication I expect the worst...but still (idiotically) hope for the best.

Camonna Tong wrote: Quite a bit of the "dumbing down" had to do with the consoles, so it won't be as bad. Morrowind, which is my favorite, had the most dumbing down of them all. I've not had problems with most of the dumbing down. Stuff like the Classes being removed I agreed with. Post-Daggerfall classes had no real point besides affecting your level rate and how high your level can be.

jim_uk wrote: If it follows the Elder Scrolls pattern then each game will be dumber than the last with important stuff stripped out to make way for pointless fluff, hopefully mods can correct that.

Gopher wrote: @jim_uk I disagree. I don't think the TES games have been dumbed down at all. I have been playing since Daggerfall, and the only thing I would say is 'dumbed down' in Skyrim is the magic/enchanting system. I understand why they had to do that (and it had nothing to do with consoles), but I didn't like it.

Bloodinfested wrote: You could write a small novel on the amount of dumb down in TES so I wouldn’t get your hopes up bud accept reality...

jim_uk wrote: @Gopher You can't be serious? the rot started with Oblivion, that's when quests become nothing but follow the arrow and do what you're told, even then when you arrived at the generic cave that the arrow led you to you got a pop up telling you that you should go in, the game had a never ending tutorial.

Fallout 3 was a little better but not by much, again it was a case of follow the arrow and do what you're told. Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.

Bethesdas games have no meaningful choices, no consequences, quests work in complete isolation from each other making the world incoherent. Their standard of writing is nothing short of atrocious, this leads to dull stories and one dimensional NPCs who all seem to be suffering from various types of mental illness.

Bethesda's games give the illusion of freedom when in reality there is none, the quests are no different to single player Call of Duty, you're not free to think for yourself, to make any choices in how any of it plays out, the only choice you have is do the quest now or do it later. Look at all the choices and paths New Vegas offers and then compare it to Fallout 3.

As modding platforms Bethesdas titles are second to none, as RPGs they're garbage.

Natterforme wrote: I think its a little early to start the PC vs consoles trash talk. That horse has been beaten to death a million times over on the internet and serves no purpose here.

:ets wait and see what this announcement actually is before we make assumptions of the future of Fallout.

-Natterforme

jet4571 wrote: There is other dumbing down, skills and perks in Skyrim are not as robust as the previous titles. Then there's the whole outfit system that went from Oblivion allowing the player to mix and match top and bottom along with shoes, gloves, and hats to FO3's lack of choices that has continued to Skyrim.

falloutchad wrote: I am actually so anxious right now, So so worried they will change direction of what we the people want. All i want is basically a better version of FNV combined with Fo3 and Skyrim using the updated Gamebryo engine that Skyrim was on. And if they added co-op (big IF i know) that would be even better.

But I'd really like to see an advance on skills and character progression, along with more in depth game play and narrative. And yes Gopher the games have become dumbed down because of consoles and yes they have/are being held back by consoles but yes IF Fo4 is mod-able then we modder's can fix the dumbness.

I just really hope Fo4 isn't taking the "For casual gamers" route sooo many games are taking.

marthgun wrote: Since Morrowind i have felt the open world has gotten progressively smaller and less filled.

mods can fix anything but a small map. I just hope they made it massive. We can fill the rest

KiCHo666 wrote: Well, mods can't add completely new skills, add weapon degradation (that is not clumsy), change any of hardcoded mechanics the game uses or add VATS if it's removed (hopefuly it's still there).

Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect the worst.

haxbox wrote: Hey. Heard about one game. They call it "LIFE". P-fff. What a nonsense


P.S Really, games are not meant to imitate real life. Just to kill our time.

jim_uk wrote: @jet4571 Indeed http://i.imgur.com/xLgRoAt.png

KiCHo666 wrote: My prediction of next TES game.

jim_uk wrote: And two spells, "Heal Me" and "Shiny Thing".

Bloodinfested wrote: That might not be too far off sadly... maybe a fire spell

I guess modders can fix some of the catastrophic mess but your at a point now where your almost redesigning an entire game. Stuff like reputation would be hard to throw back in Daggerfall for example everything you did had an effect on the world to npcs to other factions and would lead to one of 6 different endings, Skyrim nothing you do matters.

bioshards wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath, bethesda is known for this and they will without hesitation. the announced that they removed attributes from fallout now.

bioshards wrote: I completely agree with gopher, skyrim is not dumbed down at all. unless you count removing attributes completely, removing stats that governed movement, NPCs you cant kill, items you can't drop, weapon types removed, quest arrows, less enemy types, less enemy characteristics (weaknesses and resistances), linear dungeons, no acknowledgement for player actions or faction rank, no classes and no barrier to entry for any specialization, nerfed racial abilities, all utility and stealth related magic removed with the exception of invisibility, endgame player power potential reduced significantly, very close-ended diplomacy system, reduced the influence of stats significantly, no weapon or armor degradation.... you get the picture

djhater wrote: Considering Tim Cain is NOT Lead on the games.........
Fallout 3 and 4 are NOT the direction the Original creator of Fallout (Tim Cain)
( "My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun." )
"FEV was supposed to be localized to CA" AS stated by the Original Fallout creator
" I think FO3 they should have taken it off in a different direction more"
"New Vegas is very good and comes closer to FO1 for me than any of the other games."

History of Fallout from the Creator

ALL OF YOU NEED TO WATCH THESE BEFORE YOU COMMENT NONSENSE ABOUT FALLOUT
ALSO YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE CREATOR OF FALLOUT ORIGINAL VISION FOR THE WORLD/LORE.

Doesn't matter if 1st/3rd/iso view or 1994 vs 2015
It's still Tim Cain's Vision and World that he created and Bethesda/Todd Howard ...Ruined.


TES =
Skyrim = "Roleplaying for Retards" "Running Similator"
Some common quotes Skyrim/TES players =
"I spent over 200 hrs exploring every inch of the world" (running around in circles)
"I can roleplay" I always LOL@ that! You make a "character" with meaningless stats that have no impact on the world.
"I so much loot to find "
"Immersion" so much "immersion"
"I can level up all my stats"(perfect character)


That "Gopher" clown rambles a lot of nonsense all the time! (I think has Aspergers)
Fallout 3 = Story from 1 + 2 basically copying

weijiesen wrote:

Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.

Everything jim_uk said.

"I don't think Skyrim was dumbed down" is not a valid rebuttal.
At least write some evidence of proof of exactly HOW it wasn't dumbed down in a feeble attempt to outweigh all the things listed of how it was dumbed down...

I completely agree with gopher, skyrim is not dumbed down at all. unless you count removing attributes completely, removing stats that governed movement, NPCs you cant kill, items you can't drop, weapon types removed, quest arrows, less enemy types, less enemy characteristics (weaknesses and resistances), linear dungeons, no acknowledgement for player actions or faction rank, no classes and no barrier to entry for any specialization, nerfed racial abilities, all utility and stealth related magic removed with the exception of invisibility, endgame player power potential reduced significantly, very close-ended diplomacy system, reduced the influence of stats significantly, no weapon or armor degradation.... you get the picture

Dammit Carlos.... that's the most spot-on comment I've seen from you :)
Kudos to you

shotgun188 wrote: @Marthgun: Oblivion has a bigger map than Morrowind. So does Skyrim.

oldnotweak wrote: they only have a larger map because they did away with levitation in oblivion. and in skyrim they removed any ability to do anything underwater too... next we wont be able to jump and after that it will become a phone app

bioshards wrote: double post, sorry

bioshards wrote: map size doth not an RPG make

Bloodinfested wrote: Morrowind was originally going to be all of Morrowind but end up getting restricted to the island of Vvardenfell due to memory limitations on the console end. Originally it would have been larger but how the fast travel was implemented gave an illusion of it being larger. Morrowind is one of those games that end up getting far more right then wrong vs the entire series.

If this game is broken and buggy like their last four games, I will seriously give up on the genre until someone does better or I get through college so I can do it myself.

[gamingmod]

i hope that you will be able to interact with the world like in Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. CD Project Red has really done great work in maner of freedom and how your choices affect the world. Everything else is good as it is right now except for follow the arrow and kill or bring that thing.

[undeadcrab]

In response to post #25824399. #25825194, #25856609 are all replies on the same post.

Letalis001 wrote: Im writing this in response to the dumbing down fears that bethesda is supposedly noted for.

I started with Morrowind. loved it thought it was a great game.

for its time.

i never really got a chance to play daggerfall and arena properly. DOS emulation can be a chore to setup and even when that style was all the rage. i wasnt really keen on the controls and gameplay felt stiff.

Oblivion i considered an improvement over morrowind in terms of gameplay. sure not being able to make a spell that wipes out the entire town and no levitate spells sucked but lets be realistic here. no npc had a single cast nuclear spell that would just annihilate things. they also couldnt use levitate spells. and in oblivion, they actually fixed magic so that playing a mage was an actual viable option vs morrowind where you spent more time sleeping or drinking potions than actually using magic.

oblivion had some things however that were broken too. chameleon anyone? enchant all your armor with 20% chameleon then walk through town and punch random people in the back of the head. and watch the illusion of people with some semblance of sanity unravel as you officially unleash war in the imperial city, or well anywhere in cyrodiil actually. since they couldnt see you, theyd just murder each other. sure its funny to watch, but hardly would i call that immersive.

oh you dont have to 'find' the quests because the arrow tells you where to go. uh. first off. morrowinds 'directions' were bad in best case scenarios and abyssmal in worst case scenarios. most adventurers would carry a compass. better still. most adventurers would even be good at using said compass and a map. all bethesda did really was give you a convenient way to find a needle in a 14 square mile sized haystack. so you can equate quest selection to simplifying the process of marking a location, and based on distance, landmarks (on the map) and current location, the marker shows the relative position of the target.

With that said, Skyrim is not without its flaws. but lets be real here. Skyrims combat is far more fun than in any other tes title. the spells, while not as diverse because of a lack of spell crafting overall were pretty well done and varied enough to make playing a mage more effective. and where did most of these game mechanics derive from?

Mods.

Now for fallout. Ive played fallout since the first game. loved it then. still love the game. and when fallout 3 came out it was a good game. But i feel new vegas outshined it in every way. because the game mechanics were closer to the original games than 3's.

With bethesda back at the helm, i hope that they take some pages from obsidians playbook for 4. because the additions that obsidian made truly made for a more authentic fallout experience. and more than likely. they will. skyrim is proof that bethesda isnt stupid when it comes to seeing what players want and how to do it. skyrim i dont think was dumbed down, simply streamlined. and most of skyrims best gameplay mechanics were derived directly from oblivion mods.

good examples of dumbing down? mass effect series. you have a game that had traditional rpg elements, that by the third game was just a third person action title. Bethesda has never done that. usually if they see something that doesnt work well. they simply consolidate it and streamline it.

BluePixel wrote: This a fresh perspective in this comment section. All TES games have flaws and strong points.
For example, content was massive in Daggerfall and was reduced significantly in Morrowind. This in itself doesn't mean the game was bad.

Also, there''s an already patched installer for Daggerfall that works really well
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files

As for Fallout 4, it seems the character customization will be very limited. A very bad direction.

Cyther8897 wrote: Isn't it always? :')

And also people are complaining about how some npc's in skyrim are essential. Do you realize how frustrating it is when an important quest npc walks into lava pit(morrowind)?

[JimboUK]

In response to post #25824399. #25825194, #25856609, #25880619 are all replies on the same post.

Letalis001 wrote: Im writing this in response to the dumbing down fears that bethesda is supposedly noted for.

I started with Morrowind. loved it thought it was a great game.

for its time.

i never really got a chance to play daggerfall and arena properly. DOS emulation can be a chore to setup and even when that style was all the rage. i wasnt really keen on the controls and gameplay felt stiff.

Oblivion i considered an improvement over morrowind in terms of gameplay. sure not being able to make a spell that wipes out the entire town and no levitate spells sucked but lets be realistic here. no npc had a single cast nuclear spell that would just annihilate things. they also couldnt use levitate spells. and in oblivion, they actually fixed magic so that playing a mage was an actual viable option vs morrowind where you spent more time sleeping or drinking potions than actually using magic.

oblivion had some things however that were broken too. chameleon anyone? enchant all your armor with 20% chameleon then walk through town and punch random people in the back of the head. and watch the illusion of people with some semblance of sanity unravel as you officially unleash war in the imperial city, or well anywhere in cyrodiil actually. since they couldnt see you, theyd just murder each other. sure its funny to watch, but hardly would i call that immersive.

oh you dont have to 'find' the quests because the arrow tells you where to go. uh. first off. morrowinds 'directions' were bad in best case scenarios and abyssmal in worst case scenarios. most adventurers would carry a compass. better still. most adventurers would even be good at using said compass and a map. all bethesda did really was give you a convenient way to find a needle in a 14 square mile sized haystack. so you can equate quest selection to simplifying the process of marking a location, and based on distance, landmarks (on the map) and current location, the marker shows the relative position of the target.

With that said, Skyrim is not without its flaws. but lets be real here. Skyrims combat is far more fun than in any other tes title. the spells, while not as diverse because of a lack of spell crafting overall were pretty well done and varied enough to make playing a mage more effective. and where did most of these game mechanics derive from?

Mods.

Now for fallout. Ive played fallout since the first game. loved it then. still love the game. and when fallout 3 came out it was a good game. But i feel new vegas outshined it in every way. because the game mechanics were closer to the original games than 3's.

With bethesda back at the helm, i hope that they take some pages from obsidians playbook for 4. because the additions that obsidian made truly made for a more authentic fallout experience. and more than likely. they will. skyrim is proof that bethesda isnt stupid when it comes to seeing what players want and how to do it. skyrim i dont think was dumbed down, simply streamlined. and most of skyrims best gameplay mechanics were derived directly from oblivion mods.

good examples of dumbing down? mass effect series. you have a game that had traditional rpg elements, that by the third game was just a third person action title. Bethesda has never done that. usually if they see something that doesnt work well. they simply consolidate it and streamline it.

BluePixel wrote: This a fresh perspective in this comment section. All TES games have flaws and strong points.
For example, content was massive in Daggerfall and was reduced significantly in Morrowind. This in itself doesn't mean the game was bad.

Also, there''s an already patched installer for Daggerfall that works really well
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files

As for Fallout 4, it seems the character customization will be very limited. A very bad direction.

Cyther8897 wrote: Isn't it always? :')

undeadcrab wrote: And also people are complaining about how some npc's in skyrim are essential. Do you realize how frustrating it is when an important quest npc walks into lava pit(morrowind)?

Obsidian didn't have essential NPCs other than companions, it wasn't a problem. Essential NPCs save providing alternative routes through quests, they're ideal for Bethesda whose quests are always on rails, I'd rather they followed Obsidian's lead and provided for alternatives rather than fall back time and again on indestructible NPCs.

[rcd1976]

Does anybody think for certain that there will be no or little character customization in FO4? The trailer didn't give good views of the the parents faces so I'm thinking ( and hoping) that the FO4 character creation will be just as in depth, if not more so than the previous 2 Fallouts. If anybody noticed the haircut the test character had at the end of the trailer, it looked an awful lot like the buzzcut from FO3 and FNV. I know it's a long shot but hopefully that means Bethesda is using some of the same character creation assets from the other 2 previous games.

 

I know some people figured the voiced protagonist at the end was the trailer was the final nail in the coffin of character customization , but look at how many games out there these days allow multiple choices for the protagonists voice as well as ways to customize those voices further with sliders.

 

I'm going to try not to assume anything until I see game play footage but in the interests of seeing Fallout 4 stay a Fallout game, I hope character customization is still included.

 

I don't know if I'm sold on the whole "father as the protagonist", just yet. It seems slightly more limiting to have the father ( or mother as the leaked script eluded) as opposed having the baby in the crib as the protagonist and it kind of makes sense if you gauge the dogs reaction when it sniffed the mobile in the crib however many years later that was. In the trailer the parents never reacted to the dog because at that time the dog wasn't there. He picked up remnants of his master scent on the mobile, it was the familiar scent of his master that drew him to the house in the first place. So In my speculation, I think the dog belongs to the child all grown up, probably acquired some 20 or 30 years after the bombs dropped ( which is how long it took for the surface to be inhabitable again by anything other than ghouls or super mutants, just read the fallout time line from 2077 to 2109 and you'll see what I mean). That being said if Fallout 4 predates the first Fallout then this very well could be a prequel. Again this is all speculation, but I hope I'm right.

[welloliveira]

the happiest day of my life ^^

[Billy34]

I hope that you character has the choice to not have a voice and the way bethesda put the full body image of the protagonist i'm hoping they keep the character creation. Really looking forward to this game and to see all the great mods gonna be released for it! Did anyone else see the GNN and the GNR local sign? Its in the trailer (duh) But I think that it will be Galaxy News Network. And since three dog was in fallout 3 I'm thinking he will return as Four Dog In fallout 4. Its like a rule three dog, fallout 3, Four dog, Fallout 4