Horse Combat mods: Which do you use and why?

[Deleted1848331User]

There's gore in the vanilla game, unless you decide a few squirts of blood are too much and turn it to 0%. Deadly Reflex can be not bloody, depending on how you decide to play it. Have you tried it and set the decapitation chance to 0? You may see a bit more blood than vanilla, but it is the only mod with good horse combat. You just can't trample anyone. If you decide to assassinate someone with DR, then you will see a considerable bit of blood. Remember Oblivion IS a fantasy game. And there's usually a lot of blood in fantasy games. Especially those rated M.

[lonewolfkai]

I gotta add my two septims in this discussion.

 

Firstly, if you don't think gore belongs in a medieval type fantasy, then you don't know anything about the medieval ages. Combat in that era was even more gorier than what is represented in Deadly Reflex. I can appreciate that you don't care to see it. Neither do I, nor do I use DR. It's a matter of personal tastes. However, saying that type of violence is unrealistic is not true at all. There needs to be a whole lot more included in DR if you want accuracy.

 

Secondly, I like and have played several Mortal Kombat titles because I actually do like the story and the gameplay. I really enjoy Martial ARTS, and some of the action in the games is fun to pull off. But here's the thing, I don't even bother with the Fatalities, because I don't care for them either. Fatalities are a small part of the game. So again, your point there is wrong. If you also noted, I capitalized arts in Martial Arts, and even though the fighting style is considered violent, many consider it an art form, as do I.

 

Thirdly, you keep saying "pointless and meaningless" well really, what's the point to playing games? Does it do your homework for you? What about your job? Does it feed you? Solve the world hunger problem? There's really only one answer to what the point is, and some find that answer with that "pointless and meaningless" violence as well. As I mentioned previously, it's all a matter of personal tastes.

 

Fourthly and finally, mounted combat, as in swinging your sword while mounted, has been determined as a game engine impossiblity. But they also said the same thing about dual wielding. In the mean time, if someone can actually pull mounted combat off, don't hold your breath before it happens.

Edited March 24, 2011 by lonewolf_kai

[chaospearl]

I'd be happy just to shoot a bow from horseback... swinging my sword seems like it would be all kinds of difficult for the engine to compute, since I'd be at an odd angle and there'd just be general havoc going on. A bow would be easier to do - the basic factors haven't changed. Just figure the distance from target and the trajectory, which the game already computes when you're standing on top of something. The biggest issue I can see would be that it'd obviously need new animations, and along with that, likely a way to prevent you from using a 6-foot longbow from horseback. Short bows and cavalry bows were invented for just that reason. Although I suppose since we're talking mod here, you'd just have to include a disclaimer that if you insist on using a normal longbow from horseback you're going to see weird clipping issues and generally look ridiculous.

[VGI]

I gotta add my two septims in this discussion.

 

Firstly, if you don't think gore belongs in a medieval type fantasy, then you don't know anything about the medieval ages. Combat in that era was even more gorier than what is represented in Deadly Reflex. I can appreciate that you don't care to see it. Neither do I, nor do I use DR. It's a matter of personal tastes. However, saying that type of violence is unrealistic is not true at all. There needs to be a whole lot more included in DR if you want accuracy.

 

Secondly, I like and have played several Mortal Kombat titles because I actually do like the story and the gameplay. I really enjoy Martial ARTS, and some of the action in the games is fun to pull off. But here's the thing, I don't even bother with the Fatalities, because I don't care for them either. Fatalities are a small part of the game. So again, your point there is wrong. If you also noted, I capitalized arts in Martial Arts, and even though the fighting style is considered violent, many consider it an art form, as do I.

 

Thirdly, you keep saying "pointless and meaningless" well really, what's the point to playing games? Does it do your homework for you? What about your job? Does it feed you? Solve the world hunger problem? There's really only one answer to what the point is, and some find that answer with that "pointless and meaningless" violence as well. As I mentioned previously, it's all a matter of personal tastes.

 

Fourthly and finally, mounted combat, as in swinging your sword while mounted, has been determined as a game engine impossiblity. But they also said the same thing about dual wielding. In the mean time, if someone can actually pull mounted combat off, don't hold your breath before it happens.

 

 

The point of playing games is to have fun. I treat games as if they are books, novels. What's the point of reading books? I'll leave that to you to answer.

 

Games, like any other media (old, like books, or new like today's 3D movies) is just that; a medium. A medium for what? A message. And that message depends on, in the case of books, the author. That's the point of these things (media). You have something to say, or a goal to reach (like earn profits), and you use these media to get your point across (and get money because publishing these media costs money [and time]).

 

And yes, most of the "message/s" of these media are solely for entertainment purposes only. Which kinda makes our present civilization in our part of human history rather sad.

 

As for Martial Arts: I prefer REAL Martial Arts. I like Nickleodeon's Avatar any day over Mortal Kombat. Martial Arts, real Martial Arts, is not about violence (ripping your enemies apart ala-Mortal Kombat) or the glorification thereof. It is about self-defense and discipline,etc.

 

Lord Of The Rings is Medieval Fantasy. But do you see Mortal Kombat-type gore in it? No. LOTR is done rather tasteful. Now that's FANTASY. Real historical Medieval Combat is NOT FANTASY, it is REAL. Therefore Real Medieval Combat GORE doesn't have a place in Medieval Fantasy like TES4 or LOTR. The gore in Vanilla TES4 is acceptable; it makes its point but does not obsess over it (it isn't pornographic/flashy) the way DR seem to do.

 

Notice that the magic in LOTR doesn't obsess over itself as well; what I mean is it isn't flashy full of SFX, but it makes its point across. And it does so rather effectively.

 

Making something flashy runs the risk of making it too much visual, as if it is trying to cover up some sort of insecurity with a lot of false bravado.

Edited April 5, 2011 by VGI

[lonewolfkai]

I gotta add my two septims in this discussion.

 

Firstly, if you don't think gore belongs in a medieval type fantasy, then you don't know anything about the medieval ages. Combat in that era was even more gorier than what is represented in Deadly Reflex. I can appreciate that you don't care to see it. Neither do I, nor do I use DR. It's a matter of personal tastes. However, saying that type of violence is unrealistic is not true at all. There needs to be a whole lot more included in DR if you want accuracy.

 

Secondly, I like and have played several Mortal Kombat titles because I actually do like the story and the gameplay. I really enjoy Martial ARTS, and some of the action in the games is fun to pull off. But here's the thing, I don't even bother with the Fatalities, because I don't care for them either. Fatalities are a small part of the game. So again, your point there is wrong. If you also noted, I capitalized arts in Martial Arts, and even though the fighting style is considered violent, many consider it an art form, as do I.

 

Thirdly, you keep saying "pointless and meaningless" well really, what's the point to playing games? Does it do your homework for you? What about your job? Does it feed you? Solve the world hunger problem? There's really only one answer to what the point is, and some find that answer with that "pointless and meaningless" violence as well. As I mentioned previously, it's all a matter of personal tastes.

 

Fourthly and finally, mounted combat, as in swinging your sword while mounted, has been determined as a game engine impossiblity. But they also said the same thing about dual wielding. In the mean time, if someone can actually pull mounted combat off, don't hold your breath before it happens.

 

 

The point of playing games is to have fun. I treat games as if they are books, novels. What's the point of reading books? I'll leave that to you to answer.

 

Games, like any other media (old, like books, or new like today's 3D movies) is just that; a medium. A medium for what? A message. And that message depends on, in the case of books, the author. That's the point of these things (media). You have something to say, or a goal to reach (like earn profits), and you use these media to get your point across (and get money because publishing these media costs money [and time]).

 

And yes, most of the "message/s" of these media are solely for entertainment purposes only. Which kinda makes our present civilization in our part of human history rather sad.

 

As for Martial Arts: I prefer REAL Martial Arts. I like Nickleodeon's Avatar any day over Mortal Kombat. Martial Arts, real Martial Arts, is not about violence (ripping your enemies apart ala-Mortal Kombat) or the glorification thereof. It is about self-defense and discipline,etc.

 

Lord Of The Rings is Medieval Fantasy. But do you see Mortal Kombat-type gore in it? No. LOTR is done rather tasteful. Now that's FANTASY. Real historical Medieval Combat is NOT FANTASY, it is REAL. Therefore Real Medieval Combat GORE doesn't have a place in Medieval Fantasy like TES4 or LOTR. The gore in Vanilla TES4 is acceptable; it makes its point but does not obsess over it (it isn't pornographic/flashy) the way DR seem to do.

 

Notice that the magic in LOTR doesn't obsess over itself as well; what I mean is it isn't flashy full of SFX, but it makes its point across. And it does so rather effectively.

 

Making something flashy runs the risk of making it too much visual, as if it is trying to cover up some sort of insecurity with a lot of false bravado.

That's gotta be the one of the most laughable posts that I've read in awhile. At least you got one point right, that is it's simply entertainment.... :rolleyes: Oh well, everyone has an opinion. Doesn't mean everyone is wrong if isn't like their's I suppose, although, your exmaples to "defend" your point are ... entertaining in themselves. I can point out the fallacies in them, but then, what's the point? :wallbash:

Edited April 5, 2011 by lonewolf_kai