What do you guys think of this load order

[shopsD]

What do you guys think of my load order. I dont have any problems, I just want to know if there are any conflicts that I might need to deal with to increase game stability.

 

Custom mods described below

 

Black Horse Courier Mod.esp - (AW_BHC_HomeDelivery.esp, BHC_Expanded.esp, Black Horse Mail Box.esp)

 

Books of Tamriel.esp - (Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp, Books-Battlespire.esp, Books-Daggerfall.esp, Books-FirstEditionGuidetotheEmpire.esp, Books-Morrowind.esp)

 

Expanded Realism.esp - (24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp, Cliff_BetterLetters.esp, Cliff_RiskyInnBeds.esp, gardening.esp, Get Wet.esp, Players with Jobs.esp, Populated Prisons.esp, The Loo.esp, TryBeforeYouBuy.esp, Walk to Oblivion - OBSE.esp)

 

Nice Spells.esp - (Pilgrim Spells.esp, Resurrect book.esp, Smite of Order.esp, TeachSpell.esp, Telekinetic Mastery.esp)

 

Oblivion Extras.esp - (FormID Finder4.esp, LoadingScreens-AddOn.esp, Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp)

 

Oblivion Miscellaneous.esp - (bladesfactionmod.esp, GDS.esp, PoisonMachine.esp, The Amulet of Soul.esp)

 

 

 

Active Mod Files:


00  Oblivion.esm
01  TR_OoT_Main.esm
02  GTAesgaard_2.esm
03  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]
04  Windfall.esm
05  Jog_X_Mod.esm
06  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]
07  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
08  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
09  MD_Saddle_Master.esm
0A  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
0B  Qarls_Harvest.esm
0C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
0D  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
0E  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0F  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
10  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
11  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
12  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
13  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]
14  Bookplacing.esm
15  A_Bloody_Mess.esm
16  BathingMod_Base.esm
17  CURP_Controller.esm
18  ANB_Scrolls.esm
19  CM Partners.esm
1A  HorseCombatMaster.esm
1B  UndiesUnderneath.esm
1C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]
1D  Oblivion Extras.esp
1E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
1F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
20  Better Cities .esp
21  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
22  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
23  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
24  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
25  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
26  Natural_Weather_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp
27  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
28  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]
29  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
2A  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]
2B  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
++  Symphony of Violence.esp
2C  AmbientTownSounds.esp
2D  MIS Low Wind.esp
2E  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
2F  PCSoundHaerDalis.esp  [Version 2.6]
30  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
31  WindowLightingSystem.esp
32  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
33  Books of Tamriel.esp
++  Brighter_Torches.esp
34  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
35  Oblivion Enhancement Mod.esp
36  LostTelvanniCodex.esp
37  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
38  P1DseeYouSleep - Vampire Bedroll Anims.esp
39  Portable Campsite.esp
++  P1DseeYouSleep - Portable Campsite.esp
3A  Qarls_Harvest.esp
3B  Nice Spells.esp
++  VA_BetterGold.esp
3C  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2.1]
3D  Enhanced Oblivion.esp
3E  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp
3F  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]
40  Streamline 3.1.esp
41  DLCHorseArmor.esp
42  DLCOrrery.esp
43  DLCVileLair.esp
44  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
45  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
46  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp
++  TFF_FantasyFigures_Base.esp
++  CM_Better Wine.esp
47  Extinguish the Lights.esp
48  Expanded Realism.esp
49  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp
4A  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
4B  DLCThievesDen.esp
4C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
4D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
4E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
4F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
50  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]
51  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
52  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
53  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
54  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
55  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
56  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
57  CurseOfHircine.esp
58  CoH Werewolves Mixed.esp
59  CoH Spawn Rates Increased.esp
5A  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5B  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5C  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
5D  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
5E  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
5F  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
60  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]
61  Smarter Bandits.esp
62  Castle Ravenpride.esp  [Version 1.01]
63  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
64  Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp
65  Black Horse Courier mod.esp
66  GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp
67  Oblivion Miscellaneous.esp
68  GTAesgaard.esp
69  GTAesgaard_2.esp
6A  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]
6B  IC Atmospheric Shops Mod.esp
6C  Insanity's Pet Shop.esp
6D  JolardHome.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
6E  Feudal Empire 300.esp
6F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
70  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
71  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
72  KvatchCastleMakeover.esp
73  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
++  EiAmod_ChoicesandConsequences.esp
74  KumikoManor.esp
75  GlenvarCastle.esp
76  The Imperial Water - BETTER CITIES.esp
77  Malevolent.esp
78  mystery of mausoleum.esp
79  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
7A  Scribe Supplies.esp
7B  Side's Sailing Ships.esp  [Version 0.93]
7C  Side's Sailing Ships (Bathing).esp  [Version 1.1]
7D  Side's Sailing Ships (BloodyMess).esp  [Version 1.1]
++  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp  [Version 1.2]
7E  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]
7F  Ayleid Respawn v1.0 - For The Ayleid Steps.esp
80  TheElderCouncil.esp
81  TheStorytellersBrotherQuest.esp
82  thievery.esp
83  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]
84  TR_Stirk.esp
85  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
86  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.4]
87  Windfall.esp
88  DLCfrostcrag.esp
89  Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp
8A  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
8B  Knights.esp
8C  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]
8D  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]
++  cybCrashFix.esp
8E  TOTF.esp
8F  TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp
90  RTT.esp
91  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
92  The Lost Spires.esp
93  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 6]
94  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]
95  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
96  MannimarcoComplete.esp
++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
97  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
98  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
99  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp
9A  BeyondCyrodiil-Camps.esp
9B  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp
9C  Walkabout.esp
9D  PTMudwater.esp
9E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
9F  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
A0  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
A1  xulTheHeath.esp
A2  XulEntiusGorge.esp
A3  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
A4  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
A5  TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
A6  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
A7  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
A8  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
A9  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
AA  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
AB  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
AC  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]
AD  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
AE  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
AF  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
B0  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
B1  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
B2  xulPantherRiver.esp
B3  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
B4  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]
B5  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]
B6  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
B7  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
B8  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B9  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BA  CastleRavenpride-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BB  DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BC  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
BD  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
BE  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
BF  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp
C0  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
C1  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
C2  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]
C3  bartholm.esp
C4  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]
C5  Moriarcis.esp
C6  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
C7  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
C8  BathingMod_Soap.esp
C9  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp
CA  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp
++  BathingMod_ABMCP_Bathtubs_and_Bathrooms.esp
CB  BathingMod_InnsHaveTubs.esp
CC  OWE&P 4FP.esp
CD  RealisticFatigue.esp
CE  RealisticHealth.esp
CF  RealisticForceMedium.esp
D0  RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
D1  Duke Patricks - Basic Hypothermia.esp  [Version 2.3]
D2  CoH Hypothermia Patch.esp
D3  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
D4  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp
D5  MidasSpells.esp
D6  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
D7  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
D8  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
D9  DRSplatter.esp
DA  CM Partners.esp
DB  eyja.esp
DC  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
DD  CM Partners NPC NE.esp
DE  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp
DF  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
E0  ANB_Gabby_Comp.esp
E1  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 2.1]
E2  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.4]
E3  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E4  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]
E5  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E6  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 4.8.0]
E7  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]
E8  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E9  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
EA  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
EB  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]
EC  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.8.4]
ED  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
EE  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
EF  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]
F0  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
F1  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 4.2.1]
F2  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
F3  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]
F4  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

[NeonPeanut]

Well, as long as nothing is messing up, you shouldn't have to worry about anything. OBMM has identified multiple "major conflicts" between mods for me, but the mods work perfectly in-game. You should be fine. Just make sure to read the compatibility section when you go to download a mod. You can also look into BOSS if you don't already have it. It sorts your mods when you activate it, although some hardly known mods aren't recognized. Hope this helped. :smile:

[shopsD]

Thanks for the info. I'm planning on upgrading Unique Landscapes and Better Cities. I was wondering which is better to use BAIN or OBMM? (which is the best to ensure mod compatibility.

[NeonPeanut]

Well, like I said, BOSS is usually the best at sorting mods into a load order that works, but for mods that aren't recognized, I would personally go with OBMM. You should check both, see what you think. Anyways, I don't think you will need OBMM or BAIN if you use BOSS to fix your load order for you. Better Cities is one of the three biggest things BOSS looks for, along with OOO and FCOM. Unique Landscapes is also a pretty big mod, BOSS should order it correctly.

[shopsD]

The load order is correct. For some reason, the crash prevention system tells me it prevents a crash (the windows sound that plays) , then the game crashes shortly after and my save games all say they are corrupt even though I can still load them if i restart the game. This only happens in Bravil, Leyawin, Anvil and in the countryside. The other cities including Better Cities and Frostcrag Spire are fine. I think it has something to do with UL. (Priory of the Nine doesn't cause any crashes either but Weye does.

 

I have this great BOSS application thing. It automatically updates BOSS for me and i think it does a few other things I cant recall. I cant remember what its called but its from tesnexus you can search for it.. highly recommended. If anyone remembers the name, please post it.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2011 by shopsD

[shopsD]

The crash has something to do with OBGE or streamline 3.1. BTW, what happens if I merge 2 or more esps together, considering that the esp to be merged are made up of multiple merged esps themselves.

 

sort of like A+B=C & X+Y=Z; what happens if I do this C+Z? will it cause heavy problems.) I just love pushing my oblivion to the limits.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2011 by shopsD

[NeonPeanut]

The crash prevention system is by no means perfect at its job. I have heard of multiple people who say it doesn't work for them. I don't think you can really do anything about that. As for the crashes, are you sure there are no conflictions? Have you rebuilt the bashed patch correctly? Have you downloaded everything correctly? Make sure you check those things first.

[shopsD]

I'm aware of the imperfections of the crash prevention system, however I am certain that none of my mods are conflicting. The crashes only occur outside cities but NOT in locations like forts, inns e.t.c. (exterior cells) and the only cities that don't crash are IC and cheydinhal. Frostcrag Spire fine as well. Shortly before the CTD, the crash prevention system chimes and then if I try to load or save I am told my save games are corrupt. If I exit to the main menu, the loading screens are all purple. The only means of travel is by fast travel which prevents me from exploring new locations. It is because the game crashes only if I move around outside cities. If I don't move around, the game will play none stop with no crashes. (which isn't playing at all). Edited April 6, 2011 by shopsD

[NeonPeanut]

Ok, first of all, All Natural is NOT compatible with Natural Weather. They both have weather systems that will conflict with each other. Natural Habitat, Water, and Vegetation do work with All Natural, though. Deadly Reflex 6 has been known to cause a lot of crashes for people. Salmo the Baker can cause CTDs.

[shopsD]

Thanks for the info. I thought they were part of the same mod. If I have to give up DR6 I'm gonna cry. I guess it would be for the best if the game runs. Gonna deactivate Salmo the Baker first though