Bugs

[Dubik123]

Hello everyone, I could use some help with this problem. Recently, I did a clean reinstall of New Vegas, and I am experiencing bugs in the game which I havent seen before.

Everything was fine in the first couple of hours, I only started noticing the amount of bugs yesterday. They are not exactly game-breaking, but they do break the immersion. The first time I noticed a bug was, when I killed a thug in Freeside. His arm became long and his corpse was spinning around until I reloaded a save. The second one happened shortly after, coincidentially when ED-E killed another thug, his antennas were away from his body (They were in the combat position, while his body was normal). The latest one happened just now, again in Freeside, Lady Jane´s hand was really messed up.

Another weird thing is, that the corpses of many enemies, like the Freeside Thugs or Fiends never disappear. Even the ones I killed a couple of days ago. Also the game froze once which is strange, since I am running the game with the 4GB enabler which prevents crashes and freezes.

As for mods, I am using CASM with MCM, NVSE Lutana Plugin and a simple mod that puts an Armored Vault 21 Jumpsuit in Doc Mitchell´s house.

I have over 200 hours put in the game, and I never experienced these bugs (Or at least not so often) before the reinstall. Any explanation to them would be appreciated.

Also, sorry for my grammar, English is not my native language.

And yes, this post is on the Technical Support page as well, because I really want to fix the bugs, and I thought it would recieve more attention here.

[Nystel]

As you know Bethesda games are not optimized really well. It is mostly because the world they design is sooo big. There is bond to be issues. In light of this, I recommend you use this mod at ALL times, Yukichigai Unoffical Patch. This will minimize most of the issues you will encounter. In fact it was recently updated this year. Which is always good see old mods, being updated still.

 

Also too, you might invest setting up, at the very least, a merge patch with FNVedit, if not also a bash patch (but with limited number of mods, you may not need it....yet). This will ensure that the mods that you have install play nicely together.

 

Also, with FNVedit, learn how to clean the DLCs and dirty mods. This can also help cut down of in game issues. I hope I have given you some place to start with these tips. How to make a merge/bash patch and cleaning mods can all be YouTubed. Good luck, report back here if you have fixed the issue or not. I would like to know.

 

Be well

 

 

 

P.S. Click on the colored words for links to the Nexus pages.

[Dubik123]

Wow, someone replied! Thank you kindly, sir!

 

I will surely try out the methods you gave me, when I find the time to do so. Meanwhile, I hope you dont mind me asking some questions.

 

I know about Bethesda´s ports way too well. But the strange thing is, that I never found the bugs on my previous saves before the reinstall. Never, in the 200 hours, and now suddenly, three of them popped out in one day. Could this be a mod issue? I only started noticing the model bugs after I installed CASM, and that mod gave me some troubles with Fallout 3 as well (Enemies were invincible, and I remember Dogmeat´s model screwing up once). Could it be CASM´s fault again? What about the dead bodies not despawning, is that a bug too, or they will clean out after I left Freeside for a couple of days?

 

I have more to ask, but I dont want to bother you much. Excuse my lack of knowledge about this, please.

[SirTwist]

I want to go one step further. Find, and download, Loot. This may help some. But YUP is a good way to go. To help troubleshoot, try turning off just CASM, and see if things still go buggy. If it does, then either it's another mod, or the game itself. I would then move the mod, if you can, somewhere else, and try running it. This is about the same as uninstalling it, but you are preserving it. Then run again, see what happens. Clean up the game using Loot and FNVEdit, and see what happens. I will link a website here that may help a little more, as well:

 

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Essarrbee/FalloutNewVegas

[Dubik123]

Thank you for your advice. Though, I still have questions.

 

Is YUP compatible with the Czech version of New Vegas? If so, will the dialogue subtitles still be Czech?

Also, I already have LOOT. Although, I doubt it is any other mod than CASM, I only have the mods I listed (Along with the Stutter Remover, which I forgot to list).

 

But sorting this whole mess out seems like a lot of work to do, would it help if I just reinstalled New Vegas clean again?

[SirTwist]

The more I think about things, it's less a mod problem than a console code problem. Do you play with God mode on, as well as no clipping? In English, it's tgm and tcl, respectively. I have seen weirdness in Fallout 3 when I had these enabled. I don't see them as much in New Vegas, but I am willing to bet that is one problem. You can try turning them off, purge cell buffer, which pcb for console command, and continuing to play. Now, I might be wrong, but that does seem a culprit. Here's what I would do, try fast traveling to somewhere close to where you are right now, use the console commands to make sure that everything is off, and purged, then do a save. Quit the game completely. Go back in, and start from the last save. Remember to turn off both god mode and no clipping before you save. The game seems to not like that. But if it is persistent, then you may disable CASM, or even moving it out of your data folder to somewhere else, and start from where you left off before you had CASM.

 

YUP is a good bugfix, and a massive one. It doesn't matter the language, just fixes bugs. To be sure about the language, contact the mod author, or post on the mod itself.

 

A clean install may help. When you do so, do not let Steam install it in the Program Files folder. (Or the Program Files (x86) folder). Instead, create ahead of time a new folder. Call it Steam Games, or something like that, and install the game there. I would recommend a couple things, as well. First of all, use Mod Organizer. You will find plenty of material about that online. Here is the link to a good website, you might need to have it translated, though, for installing the game, etc. And they do have links to videos, mods, etc. I will not say this is a cure all, but I think it is the step in the right direction. Oh, and if you do a clean install, you may have to do all 200+ hours of your game. At least, though, this time, you will know what you did, and either correct, or keep things the same.

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Essarrbee/FalloutNewVegas

[Dubik123]

I never used those console commands on this save, so it might be a mod problem. And I dont have any other heavy mods besides CASM, so it must be it.

 

Shame that I would have to do a clean reinstall. I will at the very least back up the save, just in case. And I install all my games along with Steam on my E drive, so no problems there. I will try disabling CASM first though.

 

Anyway, when I do the reinstall, any tips on how to get rid of the 4GB enabler and NVSE? I would like to have the game 100% vanilla.

 

By the way, the reason why I installed CASM was, because I heard that the Quicksave causes some problems. Is that true? Because I use Quicksave a lot... You dont even have to know how much. Before the reinstall, I was only Quicksaving, and I had a lot less bugs, but once I got around Level 50, the game stuttered everytime I quicksaved. Any advice here?

 

I appreciate your help. It is much needed.

[SirTwist]

If you are using CASM with MCM without MCM, you are having problems. That much I can tell you. However, it would stop you from running your game, because you are missing a master file. I won't go into everything. However, here is what I will go into.

 

If you do a clean reinstall, then there are a few steps to take. Make a folder somewhere other than Program Files, and/or Program Files (x86). Call it Steam games, or something like that. Then open Steam, and install your game from there, using the fresh, clean, folder you made.

 

While waiting for the game to install, either go away for a while, go to bed, or watch a good movie. You don't have to watch Steam all the time, just a couple hours, and you are good, or should be close to done.

 

After installation, and before you do anything, and I do mean anything, else, use 7zip, winzip, or winrar, or something like that, and make an archive. This will be back up, just in case.

 

While the above is happening, run the game from the folder you made for it. Use the launcher, let it set up the graphics for you. Depending on your video card, it can set it anywhere for you, from low to ultra, and sets your resolution. At this point, only change the resolution to the max your monitor can handle, nothing else. Click Ok, or what ever the word is for Okay in Czech. Then hit play. Let it load to the main menu. Don't click your mouse, or anything else, just wait. Then click quit, and exit game. This finalizes your .ini file settings. If you have an nvidia based video card, run the Geforce Experience. This will help you to set up the graphics in game. For ATI/AMD, they use something else, but it is basically the same. Anyway, this will lock in your graphics for the game.

 

At this point, your archive should be done. Open it, and see if everything is in there. Move it somewhere outside of the New Vegas folder hierarchy. Not a temp folder, but say a backup one.

 

Now for the real stuff. Pick your mod manager. For me, I go with Mod Organizer, because I can do so much with it, in the program itself. You may want to use it, or not, it's up to you. The FOMM, or Fallout Mod Manager, isn't too bad, either. It has a few options to it, and you might like it. If you do choose to use Mod Organizer, there are few links to look at, and maybe even help you along. I do apologize for the youtube ones, as they are in English. But they are good, none the less. The website might have a translation for you, might not, it should be towards the beginning. In fact, they have likes to videos inside the website, so it's an all in one place. http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Essarrbee/FalloutNewVegas

This site has a ton of information, etc., but it well written.

 

Getting back on track here, and before I digress even further, you have graphics glitches, that might be tied to your saves, but they could be other things than your mods. If you are using FOMM, turn off archive invalidation, run the game up to main menu, load a save, and see what happens. If it still glitches, then there could be another problem. If no glitches, then you have a corrupted archive invalidation file. That is easy enough to fix. Exit the game, go into your New Vegas Folder, and go into Data. there should be something like Fallout-ai!.bsa, or something similar to this. Move this file from there, to a back up place, run FOMM again, and click on Archive Invalidation. Then go into the game. Use your latest save, and see if there are glitches. If not, you cured your problem. If so, then it can be something else with the game, or hardware.

[Dubik123]

I already have Steam and all my Steam games on my E drive, so is it fine to install it there (Where it has always been)? Or should I create a new folder for NV only?

 

I have an AMD card, and the equivalent (Sorry if I misspelled that) to GeForce Experience for AMD is Gaming Advanced. And it sucks. It does very little, sometimes even makes the graphics and FPS lower and stuff like that. Most forums just advise deleting it. I had it once and it didnt help at all. Is that a very important step to take during the reinstall, or can I just skip it?

 

And on the last part, you said "load a save". Do you mean backing up my current saves, or starting a new game without them and loading from there?

 

Anyway, I would like to know how to get rid of all my mods, including NVSE and the 4GB enabler. They didnt help at all, and the 4GB enabler just caused more problems and launch errors. I would like to start the game 100% vanilla, as I said before, with no trace of these mods in my game after I reinstall.

 

Also, I dont want to use CASM again. Not to bash it, but this whole modding ordeal most likely caused my troubles in the first place. I am used to quicksave a lot, but I heard it causes some problems. Could you tell me if thats true, and what these problems are?

 

Many thanks, sorry to annoy you with all those questions, but I would like to keep my game stable and not screw anything else up.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Dubik123

[SirTwist]

I know most people keep things where the installer suggests, and end up with a mess. It's all good, though.

 

Okay, I will help where I can. First of all, go to google, or other favorite search engine, and type in your graphic card's model, like ATI Radeon xxxx graphics settings for New Vegas. That may help. Replace ATI with AMD. This may help better.

 

What I meant by loading a save is to load a save you made, and see what happens when you have disabled CASM. You don't need to start a new game, just load one that you made, not CASM. To me, your original post still sounds like a mesh/texture problem, not more than that.

 

There is two ways to try getting rid of NVSE and 4gb enabler. One is to go to the folder you have your game installed, and delete them. Then go into Data folder, and delete the NVSE folder there. The second way is to go into Steam, right click on Fallout New Vegas, then delete local content. Then go to the folder, and make sure it's gone. Then install again.

 

The reason for NVSE and the 4gb enabler is because NVSE does a little correction of the game, while also giving mods something to use in the game. The 4GB enabler allows you to be able to use more than the 2gb the vanilla games lets you use. (Also, as a side note, that up through windows XP 64-bit edition, you could only use up to 4 GB of memory on your motherboard.) There are a few needed mods that will help your game. One is New Vegas Stutter Remover and New Vegas Anti-Crash. These two alone are worth adding NVSE. NVSE doesn't do much of anything to your game, but it helps the mods out. This is the website you want for NVSE, and no where else: http://nvse.silverlock.org You want the beta version. This is the 4GB Fallout New Vegas Updated. This is what you need to run more than between 50 and 100 mods. And it will keep things a lot more stable. Please read EssArrBee's website I posted previously on how to handle these. And use it to install the above NVSE, and the following: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55061/? These will help you out. They have nothing to do with graphics glitches. The next ones will help, a little, with other problems, and have low impact on graphic problems. New Vegas Anti-Crash: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/53635/? and New Vegas Stutter Remover. I do not recommend these lightly. They help out a lot. http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34832/?

 

The problems you had, to me, sounds like you have either a graphics card problem, or a game problem. The graphics card problem could be something minor, such as a wrong setting, or something similar. The game problem could be a number of things, the first and foremost one I can think of is God mode on, and you need to turn it off, and keep it off. (Happens to me when I use it in Fallout 3, where things get really wacky with God mode on.) To the buffer getting full, which you need to use the console command PCB to fix it. To corrupted saves. Relying on quick save is a quick way this can happen. Use quick save for small things, like conversations. Everything else, use an actual save. And don't remove mods while playing, unless it makes a rather large glitch in things. Like the XRE cars one does. If you go towards the Goodsprings water source, and look towards the mountains on the other side, there is a bunch of jagged stuff sticking out of the ground, at a distance. Another thread talks about this. Anyway, I would say don't rely too much on quick save, but rely on making saves. This way, you won't create havoc in your game later.