Proposal for new tag for "Offensive" mods(instead of removing them)

[tempwayne]

Here's a summary of what I mean: There are many of us who THINK that we do not get offended by any mod. However, we understand that you as the admins and moderators don't want Nexusmods to start hosting racist/other ultra-offensive content, because it lowers the reputation and character of the community as a whole. You have been taking care of removing such mods so far. There might be a number of mods which many of us are okay with, but several others aren't, and hence, you guys might be in a dilemma on whether to take them down. I'm suggesting that you instead tag them as "potentially offensive", and keep the takedowns for the really offensive mods. People who are slightly sensitive can stay away from the offensive tagged mods(just like some stay away from the adult section), while people who want slightly controversial(but mods that you deem aren't bad enough to throw out of the site) mods can look at those. This is NOT a request to stop taking down mods, or to ask you to take down mods. That is entirely up to you. Instead, use this method to make your life easier by warning people before they look at such content, or helping them stay away from such content, as well as giving more "resilient-minded"(can't think of a better word) people the content they want, within the bounds of the law and sanity.

[bben46]

OK, to make this simple I tag ALL mods as potentially offensive. Because people can be offended by nearly anything - problem solved. :tongue:

 

The staff does not decide on whether a mod is a candidate for being removed before it is uploaded. It is uploaded first, then someone reports it and we look at it. There are just not enough moderators or enough time to look at every mod before it is uploaded here. Then we look at the context of the mod as well as the subject and pictures. For example a Nazi flag hanging in a military museum with a caption "Captured at the battle of the Bulge 1944" would not be a candidate for removal, while the same flag being used in a mod clearly intended as hate propaganda isn't going to be around long. However based on my experience both will be reported almost immediately just because of the image of the flag.

 

What you are asking for is just another tag. That is the purpose of the tag system. it allows people to tag and filter mods based on their perception of what they consider offensive - or just don't want to see. There is already an NSFW tag - which is a catch all for things that you wouldn't want your boss at work, teacher at school or grandmother at home to see. The more you tag the better the system works. Anyone can tag a mod. But it takes a minimum of 3 tags for it to take effect. The author has the ability to pre-set tags, and the staff can overide tags and lock tagging on a mod if it is abused. :thumbsup:

[tempwayne]

Right. This is exactly what I mean too. I don't want the staff to look at every mod when it is uploaded. When you get reports from a mod, look at it. If it's too offensive, remove it. Sometimes, it might be on the borderline, and a moderator might decide to remove it to be on the safer side. This is where I'm asking you, the moderators, to tag it as potentially offensive instead of removing it. Since only the moderators are doing the tagging(and since we all trust you), we don't expect any abuse from average users to affect the "Potentially offensive tag". I don't expect your work to increase at all. The number of reports will anyway be the same irrespective of whether the "offensive" tag exists. So you'll be looking at the same number of mods. The only difference is that you have an extra option.

The NSFW tag isn't going to capture most of the selectively offensive mods, is it?

[zaty1]

Nah, I'm out. I honestly feel like I'm getting trolled now.

Goodluck sir.

[bben46]

The moderators don't do tagging unless there is some abuse of the tagging. Or in the case that we just as any other member find a mod that needs a tag. So, someone still needs to report the mod for one reason or another. As for borderline, we really don't see much of that. I don't offend easily. And very rarely by a mod for a fantasy game ( yes FO4 is fantasy although some will argue that) I am much more offended by stupidity and narrow mindedness in some of the posts I see here than anything in a mod. (this topic has been very civil :thumbsup: )

 

Some possibly offensive tag isn't going to catch them any more than the NSFW tag if you don't tag them.

 

As said, any mod can possibly be offensive to someone. I was amazed the first time I ran into someone offended by MLP mods and the hate that they expressed for a mod that they were not going to use anyway. :rolleyes:

I decline to be the arbiter of taste in mods. I seriously doubt I will ever use a MLP mod in my game. But why should I be offended or even care if someone else wants to? :psyduck:

[sherameyn]

The main participants of this thread probably write too much, hence why it stayed civil. :tongue:

 

I mean, if I hadn't misunderstood what tempwayne wanted to begin with, I wouldn't have gotten so... defensive.

 

But I stand by what I said, and I say it again: no "offensive" category needed or even meaningful. If I want to report someone, I will. And if I think it deserves to be reported by me, I will even explain why.

I think that is probably better than just "tag and send". Latter is easiest, but doesn't always make sense, necessarily.

Edited November 29, 2015 by sherameyn

[EgoAltar]

Here's an example of a mod with an offensive title. :wink:

 

EDIT: File has since been renamed. Was originally "White Power Armor." The fact that it would be changed leads me to believe that people have become overly sensitive to everything except context.

Edited November 29, 2015 by EgoAltar

[ModofDuty]

Personally I'd rather a tasteless mod be taken down but that is a very rare niche category for me. I simply do not want to see any mods involving children such as the Killable Children mods. What's next? Nude children mods? That is absolutely disgusting and I would truly castrate someone if I saw them playing a mod with like that (sorry for the expression that's just how I feel.)

 

Don't give me the whole "1984" and "thought control" argument. Do not try to reason a horrendous mod possibility. It will not work on me.

 

It seems the only thing that every single one of us can agree on is that a Nude Children mod is WRONG and disgusting (Who the hell would make such a mod) but why do people disagree with me on Killable Children and Playable Children mods? My whole summary was about Playable Children mods being a gateway to worse mods like I mentioned before. I know that by stating I am a mother with a daughter that some of you may unintentionally get irate but I'm just giving perspective on who I am.

 

If I had to choose which mod to have removed then it would be solely the Killable Children Mods and possibly Playable Children mods if someone were to use it and promote mods sexualizing a depiction of a child. I will Absof***inglutely report that mod and the individual to the proper authorities.

 

If I got off topic I apologize but that is what offends me and tagging such mods as offensive is not enough. I want to see them removed and anyone who even brings it up banned. Do not call me unreasonable because I hate the sight of depictions of children being abused physically. Why would a community modder waste their talent on horrible and vile content? I can't comprehend that at all ugh.

 

I seriously feel nauseously ill after typing all of that. YUCK.

 

EDIT: I will not pollute the mod comment section with my views so I see discussing this in a forum is appropriate.

Edited November 29, 2015 by ModofDuty

[zaty1]

The Nexus is pretty tight on the ToS with their rules/content limitations. I doubt we will see pedophilia acceptable here anytime soon - ie. Never. Ever.

To the reverse end of the spectrum though - how long til the Nexus is full of nothing but cheery (offensive) puppies (offensive) playing in rainbow glitter (offensive)?

This is like debating what else should be outright banned from the ToS.

 

Are killable children offensive - a fact? or opinion?

What about killable..... adults?

Killable... life?

 

How do you define - offensive?

Edited November 29, 2015 by zaty1

[wistfane]

The Nexus is pretty tight on the ToS with their rules/content limitations. I doubt we will see pedophilia acceptable here anytime soon - ie. Never. Ever.

To the reverse end of the spectrum though - how long til the Nexus is full of nothing but cheery (offensive) puppies (offensive) playing in rainbow glitter (offensive)?

This is like debating what else should be outright banned from the ToS.

 

Are killable children offensive - a fact? or opinion?

What about killable..... adults?

Killable... life?

 

How do you define - offensive?

Never say never. Legalization may be just around the corner.

 

I read this debate and people should just settle one thing and for all. Do you accept free speech as an absolute and uninfringable, unimpeachable unregulated right of every human being?

 

If yes then congrats you are a true red blooded american. You grow some thick skin and let your personal code of decency guide what you want to download and what now.

 

If you then ban everything because everything is offensive to someone.

 

Or there is a third option. He who pays the shekels decides what is and what isnt. In this case its Robin. His shekels, his site, his rules.