Any ideas on what causes random Fallout 4 crashes?

[obikenobi27]

They have mostly occurred at the shipwreck just North of Diamond City. I am new to madding and am not entirely sure of the cause of this crash. Windows doesn't even tell me the game has stopped working. The game just quits as if I pressed "quit to desktop." Here is my mod list in case any particular conflict stands out.

 

A Little Bit of Green

AKCR

Armorsmith Extended (with patches)

Better Item Sorting

Bottles' Label Overhaul

BUSTY GRRL V6

Cinematic Sounds (Explosions)

Companions Can Sneak (with patches)

DEF_INV 3

Enhanced Blood Textures

ETSGS

Eyewear and mask retexture (with mirrored patch)

Fallout 4 Texture Optimization Project (parts 1 and 2)

Fallout 4 Enhanced Color Correction (original)

Fallout 4 Gore Overhaul

Fallout 4 Texture Overhaul (Pipboy 4K, Stars 4K, and Power Armor 4K)

FAR

Fr4nsson's Light Tweaks

Full Dialogue Interface

Functional Weapon Racks

Homemaker

Immersive Mouth and Teeth

Improved Map with Visible Roads

Jesters Ammo Retexture

Longer Power Lines (3X)

Lowered Weapons

Mo Betta Scrap

My HUD

OJO BUENO NUKA-COLA MACHINE (2K) (spanish nuka cola machine retexture)

P.A.M.S

Perk Magazine Material Fix

Power Armor Fast Exit and Enter (both modules)

Proto Vault Suit

Scrap dead things

ScratchMade (both models)

Spring Cleaning

The Eyes of Beauty Fallout Edition

Towbie's Realistic Weapon Sounds

True Storms: Wasteland Edition

Vivid Fallout (all modules Best Choice)

Wasteland Salon

WET

Working Food Planters

 

Thanks for any assistance in advance.

[Oubliette]

No not really, since this is the subforum for general site problems or questions. Not Fallout 4 problems. Next time please post your question in the relevant fallout 4 subforum, easily located by going to the fallout 4 mod site and then clicking on "forums" from there.

[ERASERhead1]

Well I for one was having a nasty CTD problem that I just recently figured out with the help of MonarchX.

 

The mod causing the problem was actually a texture overhaul named GraFix by Koojinn, a very reputable and talented modder:

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1764/?tab=4&&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fcomments%2F%3Fmod_id%3D1764%26page%3D1%26sort%3DDESC%26pid%3D0%26thread_id%3D3426360&pUp=1

 

If you installed this mod delete Toaster_d.DDS from your props folder. I was getting a CTD in very specific locations, such as exiting Diamond City and trying to enter Vault 111. More info can be found in the posts section of the mod page, and I would suggest that even if this isn't your problem to still read his post because it explains in good detail how he found the problem. I even made a thread no one responded to. That file was game breaking and I was very lucky that I stumbled on MonarchX's post when backtracking.

 

To be clear this is not meant to name and shame the mod author, but only to help those that may have installed this file. Installing mods always comes at a risk and can also be very difficult to troubleshoot the problem when asking for help... it is entirely unlikely that someone will have your exact load order for example. Also, as someone who heavily modded FO3, NV, and Skyrim, this particular crash was the first to my knowledge or recollection that was caused by a texture.

 

From the mods you listed I don't see this one on there... I'd be curious to see if you have this file regardless as Koojinn says he didn't find anything wrong with that retexture on his end.

 

Moving forward you have to do more investigative work. Disabling all esp's and seeing if you still experience the crash would be a start. I think it would be a fair statement to make that if you ARE still experiencing the crash after disabling esp's then it's NOT your load order. This may be why no one responded to my forum thread since I was still experiencing the crash after disabling my .esp's. A lot of forum users talk about corrupted save files but over the years, and especially with Skyrim, I have added and deleted esp files countless times without "corrupting" a save file. I only mention this because there is most likely a solution to your problem.

 

If you aren't getting a CTD with esp's disabled than suspect your load order.

 

Again, more information is needed. Do you use LOOT, FO4SE, FO4Edit, mod manager, enb's, ReShade, system specs, any other places you are experiencing crashes? All of this info helps us help you. Good luck.

[obikenobi27]

Sorry about the mix-up. I am moving the thread to Fallout 4.

EDIT: Whoops. I didn't know it was already done by an admin. I should really use forums more often.

Any way, I use NMM only and am not using FOSE or anything else just yet. No enbs or anything weird with my install. Just NMM installs of mods. As for the toaster file, I found it in Fallout 3 (which fixed those crashes), but not in Fallout 4. Thanks for the advice anyway though. Also, I tend to experience a crash when the game tries to autosave or I try to quicksave. It seems to happen when my harddrive is in use if that makes any sense.

Edited January 2, 2016 by obikenobi27

[Hooperz94]

GameMode=Fallout4

 

Fallout4.esm=1

DLCRobot.esm=1

DLCworkshop01.esm=1

DLCCoast.esm=1

DLCworkshop02.esm=1

DLCworkshop03.esm=1

DLCNukaWorld.esm=1

unofficial fallout 4 patch.esp=1

truestormsfo4.esm=1

simsettlements.esm=1

DLCUltraHighResolution.esm=1

ArmorKeywords.esm=1

ACS Master.esm=1

SettlementKeywords.esm=1

EthreonMasterPlan.esp=1

PipBoyCustomisationFramework.esm=1

egp-f4.esp=1

vault111settlement.esp=1

hdreworkedprojectrevised.esp=1

ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion-VanillaWeight.esp=1

brutality.esp=1

Armorsmith Extended.esp=1

Generalofthearmy.esp=1

Decal Stain Remover REDUX - All DLC.esp=1

nvvault1080.esp=1

RaiderOverhaul.esp=1

meatexpanded.esp=1

project eba.esp=1

Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - V81.esp=1

Raider Children.esp=1

eli_armour_compendium.esp=1

Eli_MarlboroughHouse.esp=1

deadly gunners of the commonwealth.esp=0

settlementheight9000-nodlc.esp=1

deadly super mutants.esp=0

Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Institute.esp=1

deadly raiders of the commonwealth.esp=0

SuperMutantOverhaul.esp=1

sc [govnowriter].esp=1

Killable Children.esp=1

diversechildren nofh.esp=1

Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - The Castle.esp=1

vivid waters.esp=1

orphans.esp=1

Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Railroad HQ.esp=1

Eli_RV DC Home.esp=1

suicider.esp=1

deadly ghouls of the commonwealth.esp=0

Gunsmith Extended.esp=1

deadly bosses.esp=1

mre.esp=1

milkthatbrahmin.esp=1

PowerArmorT49.esp=1

111club3366.esp=1

sneak rank 5 perk - subtle effect.esp=1

remove invisibility effect.esp=1

reverb and ambiance overhaul.esp=1

vivid weathers - fo4.esp=1

hardcoreradstorm01.esp=1

wwp.esp=1

solarpower.esp=1

darktoddhuman meat.esp=1

walkers.esp=1

Live Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.esp=0

Live Dismemberment - LiebermodeNoHeadshots.esp=0

Live Dismemberment - RegularNoHeadshots.esp=0

gibsofglory.esp=1

panightvision.esp=1

Minutemenoverhaul.esp=1

enhanced melee weapons.esp=1

non lethal resolution.esp=0

3dscopes.esp=1

morevendorcaps2000.esp=1

companionhaircut.esp=1

My_Minutemen.esp=1

companionaccuracytest.esp=1

settlerssuperb.esp=1

bestcry.esp=0

vivid weathers - natural bright.esp=1

moribndwrld.esp=1

vivid weathers - fo4 - spring.esp=1

vivid weathers - fo4 - autumn.esp=1

vivid weathers - fo4 - winter.esp=1

detailedferalghouls.esp=0

dd-enhanced blood basic.esp=1

azarponytailhairstyles.esp=1

lots more beards and moustaches.esp=1

lots more male hairstyles.esp=1

black and white pip-boy.esp=1

settlementlimitslashed.esp=0

unlimitedbuild.esp=1

dogmeat's backpack.esp=1

better deliverer mods.esp=1

teddybeargrenade.esp=1

mk14.esp=1

lemat revolver.esp=1

mjp_ptrs41atr.esp=1

mmslaserrcw.esp=1

45autopistol.esp=1

warfist.esp=1

westtektacticaloptics.esp=1

craftablechildrensclothes.esp=1

hazmat suit retext - black and grey [pc + console].esp=1

FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp=1

FunctionalDisplays.esp=1

FunctionalDisplays-MISC-VIS.esp=1

coffeemod.esp=1

newrecipes.esp=1

slaugh7er_moremeat.esp=1

simsettlementshelper.esp=1

CBBE.esp=1

Sporty Underwear.esp=1

Workshop Shipments Rebalanced.esp=1

Crossbow.esp=1

OctaviusSentibar_Labels.esp=1

Killable Children - Far Harbor.esp=1

Killable Children - Nuka World.esp=1

Dont Throw Stones.esp=1

ACS Master.esp=1

ACS Paintings.esp=1

ABP Paintings.esp=1

AdvBubbleTurretSet.esp=1

AlternateFurniture.esp=1

Better Vendor Stalls.esp=1

MinutemenPropaganda.esp=1

Northland.esp=1

Settle-SRR.esp=1

TD_DLC01Workshop_Addons.esp=1

AlternateSettlements.esp=1

CraftableAmmo.esp=1

CraftableAmmo_plus.esp=1

BrighterSettlementLights.esp=1

ImmersiveVendors.esp=1

Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1

CROSS_Cybernetics.esp=1

Northland Diggers.esp=1

PD_VisualReload.esp=1

ShellRain.esp=1

IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp=1

EferasShoulderBag.esp=1

SniperDamage.esp=1

MinigunDamage.esp=1

Better Explosives - Superlite.esp=1

betterexplosions.esp=1

GrenadeExpansionPack.esp=1

makeyourownsynths.esp=1

PlasmaArsenal.esp=1

m16servicerifle.esp=1

rangergearnew.esp=1

MoreShipments_20.esp=1

SawLauncher.esp=1

p99.esp=1

mauser rifle pack.esp=1

colt python.esp=1

campsite.esp=1

ragnarockradio.esp=1

ClassicSniper.esp=1

m1garand.esp=1

m2045magnumrevolverrifle.esp=1

varmintrifle.esp=1

skyriminspiredpowerarmor.esp=1

Heavy BoS.esp=1

handmaderevolver.esp=1

crudeblowback.esp=1

wm chinese assault rifle - standalone.esp=1

MiniNukeIgnoreLoS.esp=1

ModularKalash.esp=1

AkaWaterWorld.esp=1

BasementLiving.esp=1

DOOMDesertEagle.esp=1

OTs-02 Kiparis.esp=1

Better Explosives - Far Harbor.esp=1

Better Explosives - Enhanced Grenades.esp=1

Better Explosives - Perks redone.esp=1

Better Explosives - Grenade Frequency 45.esp=1

DifficultyXPScaling.esp=1

GrenadeExpansionPackAWKCRPatch.esp=1

GrenadeExpansionPackValsPatch.esp=1

TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp=1

TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp=1

FunctionalDisplays-AID-VIS.esp=1

FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL-VIS.esp=1

PBCF_Seed.esp=1

NanoSuit.esp=1

NanoSuit_AWKCR_AE.esp=1

LongerPowerLines3x.esp=1

orphans AE Patch.esp=1

SchoolDeskObject.esp=1

ShipmentSize_25.esp=1

ImmersiveScrapping.esp=1

EnclaveX02.esp=1

Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp=1

QuickEnterFromStand.esp=1

QuickExitToStand.esp=1

Settler Sandbox Overhaul.esp=1

LHFineArt.esp=1

SnapBeds.esp=1

TurretStands.esp=1

Ephla's Artwork.esp=1

X01Light.esp=1

JetBackPacks.esp=1

CROSS_Jetpack.esp=1

personalvertibird.esp=1

Vertidrones.esp=1

Strong Back.esp=1

Yona_Weapon_DefenseGun.esp=1

tank_PA.esp=1

tumbajamba Advanced Engineering.esp=1

tank_PA - tAE - AWKCR.esp=1

Vertibird Alt Fix - Far Harbor.esp=1

OCDecorator.esp=1

OCDispenser.esp=1

OCDecoratorDLC.esp=1

SettlementGarageSale.esp=1

TheFridge.esp=1

QuickTrade.esp=1

AkaSinger.esp=1

AkaSinger-QuieterSoundPatch.esp=1

AkaSingersWardrobe.esp=1

dinoshelf.esp=1

dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp=1

dinoshelf_retex.esp=1

Assaultron PowerArmor DLC Edition.esp=1

Binoculars.esp=1

PeopleAreStrangers.esp=1

 

Well for starters, I have had 4 crashes within 2 days of playing and for the most part don't see anything wrong with the load order or my plugins. But at the same time I am new to modding as this is my first game to mod so i'm sure iv'e made a mistake somewhere. For some reason the Diamond city guards have no clothes on or they will be wearing the baseball outfit under their usual npc outfit. I am not sure what to do so if I can get any help I would be most thankful for the assist.

[Greslin]

Welcome to your coming of age as a Fallout modder.

 

It seems to be the pattern for all of us. First we discover that our favorite game can be modded, then we try a mod or two, then we're all like HOLY HECK GIMME MORE OF THAT GOOD STUFF and start installing mods like crazy. And then we hit the wall that you've hit, the place where all those mods together make the game unstable as hell, and we don't know where to go from there.

 

I know, at least, that it happened that way with me in FO3. God, my Megaton then was a glitchy disaster area. Learning how to resolve all the various different mod conflicts was my first real step forwards doing real modding work, in contrast to just installing stuff.

 

You're almost certainly not going to be able to diagnose these kind of conflict crashes just by looking at your mod list. It's sort of a reverse Reeses candy kinda deal: two great things AREN'T always great together, and a lot of these mods are trying to do the same things, or they're trying to do different things with the same records. To get them all running well together, nice and stable, you're going to have to look at it all in that level of detail.

 

My advice is to skip LOOT and any other auto-order software, and instead learn how to use FO4Edit. Learn how to identify and resolve record conflicts. Start by loading FO4Edit, right clicking on your mod list, and select "Check For Errors". Look for any error messages that refer to an unresolved formID. Those are probably causing a bunch of your CTDs.

 

And read the FNVEdit Training Manual: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/38413/?

 

FNVEdit is the same tool as FO4Edit, just a couple of generations back. Everything in the manual should still apply.

[jaderiver]

Why the heck cant people post their load as Spoilers rather a long listing page all you need to do is just type

copy pasted load order

like this ..

GameMode=Fallout4

Fallout4.esm=1
Snap'n Build.esm=1
SimSettlements.esm=1
HUDFramework.esm=1
Wastelanders XM2076 by giggity12345.esp=1
CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp=1
Crossbow.esp=1
The Rebel.esp=1
DiamondCityAutoClose.esp=1
Transpartent PA Visors.esp=1
Wasteland Sniper by Hothtrooper44.esp=1
K9TacticalHarness.esp=1
DX_Black_Widow.esp=1
SustainedFlight.esp=1
Invulnerable Turrets 1.05 - SET 250 DEF.esp=1
Invulnerable Turrets 1.05w - SET 250 DEF.esp=1
Invulnerable Turrets 1.05w - SET 500 DEF.esp=1
NoFallDamage.esp=1
SecretStash.esp=1
EveryonesBestFriend.esp=1
ModdableGrenades.esp=1
More Smarter Companions Mod.esp=1
GraygardenRewards.esp=1
OCDecorator.esp=1
OCDispenser.esp=1
Thematic and Practical.esp=1
My_Minutemen.esp=1
BOUNTIESFORYOU.esp=1
PlayerMarriage.esp=1
256StandaloneHairColors.esp=1
ExtendedHairColors.esp=1
KSHairdos.esp=1
MMP4APA-blue.esp=1
MMP4APA.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
Intimidation Overhaul.esp=1
AlootHomePlate.esp=1
BasementLiving.esp=1
Home Plate Exterior Revamped.esp=1
SkjAlert_RS+.esp=1
BuildableBurningCampfires.esp=1
MakeYourOwnSynths.esp=1
SalvageBeacons.esp=1
Better Cooking Stations.esp=1
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1
PlantMe.esp=1
FaceMaxson.esp=1
Big BoS Complete.esp=1
MojaveMusicRadio.esp=1
CWSS Redux.esp=1
subwayrunnnerdynamiclighting.esp=1
WhirligigSentry.esp=1
LooksMenu.esp=1
Witcher - Geralt's Prologue Gear.esp=1
Viper's Warpaint - LMCC.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Core.esp=1
ScrapUpdate - Core.esp=1

HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds.esp=1

and thats it , and yes I too was just having frustrating crashed on pc with vanilla fo4 but modded using about between 50 - 60 mods only, and it seems to be when I'm inside a building atm , on my 2nd play thru , I have only started using loot as well update and update nmm, ..

But I launch fo4 from the f4se shortcut on desktop ... I dont think you can launch fo4 with or not from f4se after you using mods that need it..

 

I also found this on a steam post i think i found the answer (its very late here, so the testing has been minimal i am afraid, but it DOES load) you must retain ONE of the lines.. so here is what i have

[Archive]
sResourceDataDirsFinal=STRINGS\, TEXTURES\, MESHES\, INTERFACE\, MUSIC\, SOUND\, PROGRAMS\, MATERIALS\, LODSETTINGS\, VIS\, MISC\, SCRIPTS\, SHADERSFX\

put that in your fallout4custom.ini file...then try again with the mods... so far it seems to be working for me, let me know how it goes.. i need to get some sleep, its 3 am now :p
also, make sure your load order is right, under the mods section inside the mainmenu.

This and reload back 2 save deleting one upto that , so far have worked .......

Edited May 24, 2017 by jaderiver

[Aeonwhite]

Thanks for this! With 260 Mods and at level 50 I really didn't fancy starting a new save. It worked thanks for saving my bacon there jaderiver

[whitewolf7901]

I get random CTD's here is my load order can you tell me what I need to remove or change:

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl
254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4003-pipboy(camo01).esl
254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4004-pipboy(camo02).esl
254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl
254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl
254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4005-bluecamo.esl
254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4016-prey.esl
254 FE 7 ccbgsfo4020-powerarmorskin(black).esl
254 FE 8 ccbgsfo4022-powerarmorskin(camo01).esl
254 FE 9 ccbgsfo4023-powerarmorskin(camo02).esl
254 FE a ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl
254 FE b ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl
254 FE c ccbgsfo4024-pacamo03.esl
254 FE d ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl
254 FE e ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
254 FE f ccgcafo4002-factionws02acat.esl
254 FE 10 ccgcafo4003-factionws03bos.esl
254 FE 11 ccgcafo4008-factionws08inst.esl
254 FE 12 ccgcafo4009-factionws09mm.esl
254 FE 13 ccgcafo4011-factionws11vt.esl
254 FE 14 ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl
254 FE 15 ccgcafo4013-factionas02bos.esl
254 FE 16 ccgcafo4015-factionas04hrpink.esl
254 FE 17 ccgcafo4017-factionas06inst.esl
254 FE 18 ccgcafo4018-factionas07mm.esl
254 FE 19 ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl
254 FE 1a ccswkfo4002-pipnuka.esl
254 FE 1b ccswkfo4003-pipquan.esl
254 FE 1c ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl
254 FE 1d ccbgsfo4056-dglabb.esl
254 FE 1e ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl
254 FE 1f ccrzrfo4004-pipinst.esl
254 FE 20 ccrzrfo4003-pipover.esl
DLCUltraHighResolution.esm
7 7 unofficial fallout 4 patch.esp
8 8 Worsin's Garage.esm
9 9 HUDFramework.esm
10 a dlcprojectx_mainplugin.esm
11 b simsettlements.esm
254 FE 21 simsettlements_idekslogisticsstation.esl
12 c modjetpack.esp
13 d radiantquestmarkercomplete.esp
14 e t.c.s.p - the commonwealth sanitation project.esp
15 f Mechanist Lair Overhaul.esp
16 10 galaxy news radio.esp
17 11 wastelandnpcoverhaul.esp
18 12 Minutekeep.esp
19 13 companionsoverhaul.esp
20 14 fallon's basement overhaul.esp
21 15 sanctuarybridgefixerz.esp
22 16 atlanticofficesf23.esp
23 17 retakrew7 - workshop lighting overhaul.esp
24 18 terriblepipboy.esp
25 19 aesfivexlongerwires.esp
26 1a cheatterminal.esp
Vivid Waters.esp
27 1b simsettlements_addonpack_awsometown.esp
28 1c militarizedminutemen.esp
29 1d ss_addon_pbpp.esp
30 1e whirligigsentry.esp
31 1f minutemenarmory.esp
32 20 moddablerobotsettlers.esp
33 21 ss_addon_cbc_aio.esp
34 22 mjc_ss_plots.esp
35 23 uitfj.esp
36 24 junktown.esp
37 25 ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
38 26 jt-fences.esp
39 27 wvsimsaddon.esp
40 28 simsettlements_megapack_yearone.esp
41 29 wv2_simsaddon.esp
42 2a hellfirenew.esp
43 2b settlementlimitslashed.esp
44 2c mso_sms.esp
45 2d power armor quick enter and exit.esp
46 2e improved map with visible roads.esp
47 2f weightless junk.esp
48 30 fusiongenerator.esp
49 31 guards and security help you.esp
50 32 cleansanctuaryroad1.esp
51 33 ChineseStealthSuit.esp
52 34 CROSS_Jetpack.esp
53 35 CompanionAccuracy.esp
54 36 Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esp
55 37 Jetpack Overhaul.esp
56 38 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
57 39 CWSS Redux.esp
58 3a Loot Detector.esp
59 3b Transpartent PA Visors.esp
60 3c Worsin's Decal Station.esp
61 3d SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp
62 3e Better Settlement Defence.esp
63 3f WhatsYourName.esp
64 40 X01Light.esp
65 41 EAMR.esp
66 42 CBBE.esp
67 43 BunkerHillMinPatrol.esp
68 44 PackBrahminsToEyebots_Settlements.esp
69 45 RobotFactionPaint.esp
70 46 keyNuker.esp
71 47 SettlementMenuManager.esp
72 48 chatterbox_radio.esp
73 49 mysteriousmagnum.esp
74 4a darz oxhorn.esp
75 4b kor_highlight.esp
76 4c dd-enhanced blood basic.esp
77 4d ssaop_samutzvault88.esp
78 4e junktown-combo.esp
79 4f simsettlements_addon_vaultland.esp
80 50 fp_simsettlements-leaderpack.esp
81 51 uitxt.esp
82 52 dlcprojectx_simsettlementsaddon.esp
83 53 shipmentofeverything.esp

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by whitewolf7901