Centerman Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) In response to post #34071015. #34071450, #34071620, #34071680, #34072505, #34072540, #34072595, #34073190, #34073450, #34073500, #34074510, #34084490, #34084545, #34085065, #34088565, #34089440, #34090300, #34091345 are all replies on the same post.Nordland1 wrote: For me, this fixed the CTD!(I got CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started.)And after some research in my mod list i found that "The Gore Overhaul" was the culprit.I still got the mod activated in NMM but I renamed the "gore" folder (the mods texture folder) so it won't load. And after that no more CTD's.arroya wrote: so what folders name did you change again? I want to try this. I am running EBT as wellNordland1 wrote: Sorry I mixed up two mods.For me it's "THE GORE OVERHAUL" mod who was causing the CTD.Not "Enhanced Blood Textures".I renamed the folder "Gore" by just adding a Z (zgore).You will find the folder in ".../Data/Textures/Gore"(I edited my first post with my new findings)arroya wrote: ok just renamed it. because i have gore overhaul as well lets see if it works Ill send you a pm I dont want to clog the thread. Check your messagesMadveD12 wrote: I also disabled "The Gore Overhaul" and CTD 5-10 seconds after the start of the game disappeared.iiicragiii16 wrote: It worked! Thank you sirPanaorios wrote: Thank you so much. This worked for me!grapser wrote: Thanks for the fix. XDNordland1 wrote: Glad that I could help! :)MickeyMcE wrote: Interesting I uninstalled "The Gore Overhaul" mod after reading this and it appears to have fixed my ctd as well for now. Good find, I was just getting ready to go through my mods and play the uninstall reinstall game. Thanks for saving me the headache. St4rkill3r wrote: Worked here too.At the start i was unable to play 5 mins long without a ctd.Now i did the rename of the folder and i played like 30 mins without problems so far, thanks a lot sir for the tip!Centerman wrote: Uninstalled Gore Overhaul and this worked. It corrected the CTD 5-10 seconds after game start. I still get a random CTD during what seem to be bloody battles. I'm disabling Mods little by little to find the additional culprit.billxsand wrote: Ugh thank you so much I should have checked the nexus first... uninstalled and reinstalled everything multiple times, lolololmanofglory wrote: You sir! win the prizescag318 wrote: work for me! THX!Desie wrote: What if we don't use that mod? I see everyone talking about this but I don't use it. Should I install that mod and then do what you said? ;aifejwakfa;oiewajfldskja CTDDDDDDDDDDDDDjerryh72 wrote: People who don't have that mod have the same ctd problem , this same problem came with the last update not just this one . If even the first update came out before i already put to many hours in too be able get a refund on this s#*! game , but no they let you play a stable version a few weeks before making it worse instead of better . If they want to fix it they should start by either using NewVegas or skyrims already working controls , dialog , animations , using the same format so we could just copy past mods from Skyrim too Fallout 4. No they use a completely different language , as if to say F;[]=-.u to the players modders and the Nexus mod site ! blackmumba1 wrote: Yeah, worked for me too, which is a relief because I was thinking I would have to reload the game and play vanilla FO4. Though, the update also revived Swan for some reason, not sure why, but I got to kill him again, so there's thatThe Gore Overhaul caused a quick CTD. Got rid of it but I still crash but now only in a firefight with Raiders or Super Mutants. Disabled every Mod and .esp but still crashed during a fight. Deleted the .ini files and ran plain Vanilla FO4. Game did not crash and ran well. I suspect it's a stray texture, mesh, or something that is in the game directory. Edited February 2, 2016 by Centerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFinestSake Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 In response to post #34071015. #34071450, #34071620, #34071680, #34072505, #34072540, #34072595, #34073190, #34073450, #34073500, #34074510, #34084490, #34084545, #34085065, #34088565, #34089440, #34090300, #34091345, #34091585 are all replies on the same post.Nordland1 wrote: For me, this fixed the CTD!(I got CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started.)And after some research in my mod list i found that "The Gore Overhaul" was the culprit.I still got the mod activated in NMM but I renamed the "gore" folder (the mods texture folder) so it won't load. And after that no more CTD's.arroya wrote: so what folders name did you change again? I want to try this. I am running EBT as wellNordland1 wrote: Sorry I mixed up two mods.For me it's "THE GORE OVERHAUL" mod who was causing the CTD.Not "Enhanced Blood Textures".I renamed the folder "Gore" by just adding a Z (zgore).You will find the folder in ".../Data/Textures/Gore"(I edited my first post with my new findings)arroya wrote: ok just renamed it. because i have gore overhaul as well lets see if it works Ill send you a pm I dont want to clog the thread. Check your messagesMadveD12 wrote: I also disabled "The Gore Overhaul" and CTD 5-10 seconds after the start of the game disappeared.iiicragiii16 wrote: It worked! Thank you sirPanaorios wrote: Thank you so much. This worked for me!grapser wrote: Thanks for the fix. XDNordland1 wrote: Glad that I could help! :)MickeyMcE wrote: Interesting I uninstalled "The Gore Overhaul" mod after reading this and it appears to have fixed my ctd as well for now. Good find, I was just getting ready to go through my mods and play the uninstall reinstall game. Thanks for saving me the headache. St4rkill3r wrote: Worked here too.At the start i was unable to play 5 mins long without a ctd.Now i did the rename of the folder and i played like 30 mins without problems so far, thanks a lot sir for the tip!Centerman wrote: Uninstalled Gore Overhaul and this worked. It corrected the CTD 5-10 seconds after game start. I still get a random CTD during what seem to be bloody battles. I'm disabling Mods little by little to find the additional culprit.billxsand wrote: Ugh thank you so much I should have checked the nexus first... uninstalled and reinstalled everything multiple times, lolololmanofglory wrote: You sir! win the prizescag318 wrote: work for me! THX!Desie wrote: What if we don't use that mod? I see everyone talking about this but I don't use it. Should I install that mod and then do what you said? ;aifejwakfa;oiewajfldskja CTDDDDDDDDDDDDDjerryh72 wrote: People who don't have that mod have the same ctd problem , this same problem came with the last update not just this one . If even the first update came out before i already put to many hours in too be able get a refund on this s#*! game , but no they let you play a stable version a few weeks before making it worse instead of better . If they want to fix it they should start by either using NewVegas or skyrims already working controls , dialog , animations , using the same format so we could just copy past mods from Skyrim too Fallout 4. No they use a completely different language , as if to say F;[]=-.u to the players modders and the Nexus mod site ! blackmumba1 wrote: Yeah, worked for me too, which is a relief because I was thinking I would have to reload the game and play vanilla FO4. Though, the update also revived Swan for some reason, not sure why, but I got to kill him again, so there's thatCenterman wrote: The Gore Overhaul caused a quick CTD. Got rid of it but I still crash but now only in a firefight with Raiders or Super Mutants. Disabled every Mod and .esp but still crashed during a fight. Deleted the .ini files and ran plain Vanilla FO4. Game did not crash and ran well. I suspect it's a stray texture, mesh, or something that is in the game directory.THANK YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanageboubounosuke Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 In response to post #34071015. #34071450, #34071620, #34071680, #34072505, #34072540, #34072595, #34073190, #34073450, #34073500, #34074510, #34084490, #34084545, #34085065, #34088565, #34089440, #34090300, #34091345, #34091585, #34092545 are all replies on the same post.Nordland1 wrote: For me, this fixed the CTD!(I got CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started.)And after some research in my mod list i found that "The Gore Overhaul" was the culprit.I still got the mod activated in NMM but I renamed the "gore" folder (the mods texture folder) so it won't load. And after that no more CTD's.arroya wrote: so what folders name did you change again? I want to try this. I am running EBT as wellNordland1 wrote: Sorry I mixed up two mods.For me it's "THE GORE OVERHAUL" mod who was causing the CTD.Not "Enhanced Blood Textures".I renamed the folder "Gore" by just adding a Z (zgore).You will find the folder in ".../Data/Textures/Gore"(I edited my first post with my new findings)arroya wrote: ok just renamed it. because i have gore overhaul as well lets see if it works Ill send you a pm I dont want to clog the thread. Check your messagesMadveD12 wrote: I also disabled "The Gore Overhaul" and CTD 5-10 seconds after the start of the game disappeared.iiicragiii16 wrote: It worked! Thank you sirPanaorios wrote: Thank you so much. This worked for me!grapser wrote: Thanks for the fix. XDNordland1 wrote: Glad that I could help! :)MickeyMcE wrote: Interesting I uninstalled "The Gore Overhaul" mod after reading this and it appears to have fixed my ctd as well for now. Good find, I was just getting ready to go through my mods and play the uninstall reinstall game. Thanks for saving me the headache. St4rkill3r wrote: Worked here too.At the start i was unable to play 5 mins long without a ctd.Now i did the rename of the folder and i played like 30 mins without problems so far, thanks a lot sir for the tip!Centerman wrote: Uninstalled Gore Overhaul and this worked. It corrected the CTD 5-10 seconds after game start. I still get a random CTD during what seem to be bloody battles. I'm disabling Mods little by little to find the additional culprit.billxsand wrote: Ugh thank you so much I should have checked the nexus first... uninstalled and reinstalled everything multiple times, lolololmanofglory wrote: You sir! win the prizescag318 wrote: work for me! THX!Desie wrote: What if we don't use that mod? I see everyone talking about this but I don't use it. Should I install that mod and then do what you said? ;aifejwakfa;oiewajfldskja CTDDDDDDDDDDDDDjerryh72 wrote: People who don't have that mod have the same ctd problem , this same problem came with the last update not just this one . If even the first update came out before i already put to many hours in too be able get a refund on this s#*! game , but no they let you play a stable version a few weeks before making it worse instead of better . If they want to fix it they should start by either using NewVegas or skyrims already working controls , dialog , animations , using the same format so we could just copy past mods from Skyrim too Fallout 4. No they use a completely different language , as if to say F;[]=-.u to the players modders and the Nexus mod site ! blackmumba1 wrote: Yeah, worked for me too, which is a relief because I was thinking I would have to reload the game and play vanilla FO4. Though, the update also revived Swan for some reason, not sure why, but I got to kill him again, so there's thatCenterman wrote: The Gore Overhaul caused a quick CTD. Got rid of it but I still crash but now only in a firefight with Raiders or Super Mutants. Disabled every Mod and .esp but still crashed during a fight. Deleted the .ini files and ran plain Vanilla FO4. Game did not crash and ran well. I suspect it's a stray texture, mesh, or something that is in the game directory.TheFinestSake wrote: THANK YOU!You are a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseTacos Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) removed the gore overhaul mod and still ctd in 5 seconds. removed enhanced blood textures and still nothing. im about to have a seizure over here!!! http://i.imgur.com/UC0daqb.jpg Edited February 2, 2016 by ChaseTacos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheZer0G Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 ok.. so! I had 54 mods installed, all good.Patch came out,Game started, ran fine.Took 5 steps.. then crashed.Disabled all the mods.Game crashed at loading screen at startup.-Welp!So... to fix that all I did is Verify the integrity of game cache through steam..fixed it.But am all Vanilla for now! whoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpBallin Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 In response to post #34071015. #34071450, #34071620, #34071680, #34072505, #34072540, #34072595, #34073190, #34073450, #34073500, #34074510, #34084490, #34084545, #34085065, #34088565, #34089440, #34090300, #34091345, #34091585, #34092545, #34092940 are all replies on the same post.Nordland1 wrote: For me, this fixed the CTD!(I got CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started.)And after some research in my mod list i found that "The Gore Overhaul" was the culprit.I still got the mod activated in NMM but I renamed the "gore" folder (the mods texture folder) so it won't load. And after that no more CTD's.arroya wrote: so what folders name did you change again? I want to try this. I am running EBT as wellNordland1 wrote: Sorry I mixed up two mods.For me it's "THE GORE OVERHAUL" mod who was causing the CTD.Not "Enhanced Blood Textures".I renamed the folder "Gore" by just adding a Z (zgore).You will find the folder in ".../Data/Textures/Gore"(I edited my first post with my new findings)arroya wrote: ok just renamed it. because i have gore overhaul as well lets see if it works Ill send you a pm I dont want to clog the thread. Check your messagesMadveD12 wrote: I also disabled "The Gore Overhaul" and CTD 5-10 seconds after the start of the game disappeared.iiicragiii16 wrote: It worked! Thank you sirPanaorios wrote: Thank you so much. This worked for me!grapser wrote: Thanks for the fix. XDNordland1 wrote: Glad that I could help! :)MickeyMcE wrote: Interesting I uninstalled "The Gore Overhaul" mod after reading this and it appears to have fixed my ctd as well for now. Good find, I was just getting ready to go through my mods and play the uninstall reinstall game. Thanks for saving me the headache. St4rkill3r wrote: Worked here too.At the start i was unable to play 5 mins long without a ctd.Now i did the rename of the folder and i played like 30 mins without problems so far, thanks a lot sir for the tip!Centerman wrote: Uninstalled Gore Overhaul and this worked. It corrected the CTD 5-10 seconds after game start. I still get a random CTD during what seem to be bloody battles. I'm disabling Mods little by little to find the additional culprit.billxsand wrote: Ugh thank you so much I should have checked the nexus first... uninstalled and reinstalled everything multiple times, lolololmanofglory wrote: You sir! win the prizescag318 wrote: work for me! THX!Desie wrote: What if we don't use that mod? I see everyone talking about this but I don't use it. Should I install that mod and then do what you said? ;aifejwakfa;oiewajfldskja CTDDDDDDDDDDDDDjerryh72 wrote: People who don't have that mod have the same ctd problem , this same problem came with the last update not just this one . If even the first update came out before i already put to many hours in too be able get a refund on this s#*! game , but no they let you play a stable version a few weeks before making it worse instead of better . If they want to fix it they should start by either using NewVegas or skyrims already working controls , dialog , animations , using the same format so we could just copy past mods from Skyrim too Fallout 4. No they use a completely different language , as if to say F;[]=-.u to the players modders and the Nexus mod site ! blackmumba1 wrote: Yeah, worked for me too, which is a relief because I was thinking I would have to reload the game and play vanilla FO4. Though, the update also revived Swan for some reason, not sure why, but I got to kill him again, so there's thatCenterman wrote: The Gore Overhaul caused a quick CTD. Got rid of it but I still crash but now only in a firefight with Raiders or Super Mutants. Disabled every Mod and .esp but still crashed during a fight. Deleted the .ini files and ran plain Vanilla FO4. Game did not crash and ran well. I suspect it's a stray texture, mesh, or something that is in the game directory.TheFinestSake wrote: THANK YOU!hanageboubounosuke wrote: You are a hero.but...but I don't use that MOD and still get CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrimpBallin Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 In response to post #34093220. TheZer0G wrote: ok.. so! I had 54 mods installed, all good.Patch came out,Game started, ran fine.Took 5 steps.. then crashed.Disabled all the mods.Game crashed at loading screen at startup.-Welp!So... to fix that all I did is Verify the integrity of game cache through steam..fixed it.But am all Vanilla for now! whoo!thank you! It works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tardmehigh Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 In response to post #34071015. #34071450, #34071620, #34071680, #34072505, #34072540, #34072595, #34073190, #34073450, #34073500, #34074510, #34084490, #34084545, #34085065, #34088565, #34089440, #34090300, #34091345, #34091585, #34092545, #34092940, #34093350 are all replies on the same post.Nordland1 wrote: For me, this fixed the CTD!(I got CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started.)And after some research in my mod list i found that "The Gore Overhaul" was the culprit.I still got the mod activated in NMM but I renamed the "gore" folder (the mods texture folder) so it won't load. And after that no more CTD's.arroya wrote: so what folders name did you change again? I want to try this. I am running EBT as wellNordland1 wrote: Sorry I mixed up two mods.For me it's "THE GORE OVERHAUL" mod who was causing the CTD.Not "Enhanced Blood Textures".I renamed the folder "Gore" by just adding a Z (zgore).You will find the folder in ".../Data/Textures/Gore"(I edited my first post with my new findings)arroya wrote: ok just renamed it. because i have gore overhaul as well lets see if it works Ill send you a pm I dont want to clog the thread. Check your messagesMadveD12 wrote: I also disabled "The Gore Overhaul" and CTD 5-10 seconds after the start of the game disappeared.iiicragiii16 wrote: It worked! Thank you sirPanaorios wrote: Thank you so much. This worked for me!grapser wrote: Thanks for the fix. XDNordland1 wrote: Glad that I could help! :)MickeyMcE wrote: Interesting I uninstalled "The Gore Overhaul" mod after reading this and it appears to have fixed my ctd as well for now. Good find, I was just getting ready to go through my mods and play the uninstall reinstall game. Thanks for saving me the headache. St4rkill3r wrote: Worked here too.At the start i was unable to play 5 mins long without a ctd.Now i did the rename of the folder and i played like 30 mins without problems so far, thanks a lot sir for the tip!Centerman wrote: Uninstalled Gore Overhaul and this worked. It corrected the CTD 5-10 seconds after game start. I still get a random CTD during what seem to be bloody battles. I'm disabling Mods little by little to find the additional culprit.billxsand wrote: Ugh thank you so much I should have checked the nexus first... uninstalled and reinstalled everything multiple times, lolololmanofglory wrote: You sir! win the prizescag318 wrote: work for me! THX!Desie wrote: What if we don't use that mod? I see everyone talking about this but I don't use it. Should I install that mod and then do what you said? ;aifejwakfa;oiewajfldskja CTDDDDDDDDDDDDDjerryh72 wrote: People who don't have that mod have the same ctd problem , this same problem came with the last update not just this one . If even the first update came out before i already put to many hours in too be able get a refund on this s#*! game , but no they let you play a stable version a few weeks before making it worse instead of better . If they want to fix it they should start by either using NewVegas or skyrims already working controls , dialog , animations , using the same format so we could just copy past mods from Skyrim too Fallout 4. No they use a completely different language , as if to say F;[]=-.u to the players modders and the Nexus mod site ! blackmumba1 wrote: Yeah, worked for me too, which is a relief because I was thinking I would have to reload the game and play vanilla FO4. Though, the update also revived Swan for some reason, not sure why, but I got to kill him again, so there's thatCenterman wrote: The Gore Overhaul caused a quick CTD. Got rid of it but I still crash but now only in a firefight with Raiders or Super Mutants. Disabled every Mod and .esp but still crashed during a fight. Deleted the .ini files and ran plain Vanilla FO4. Game did not crash and ran well. I suspect it's a stray texture, mesh, or something that is in the game directory.TheFinestSake wrote: THANK YOU!hanageboubounosuke wrote: You are a hero.julio131 wrote: but...but I don't use that MOD and still get CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started. :(Thank you so much! Have used like 2,5 hours trying "this and that" with no luck. Again, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaffTheSweetling Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) In response to post #34068310. #34072185, #34072435, #34074240 are all replies on the same post.Tenshigaki95 wrote: I feel like Settlements mods have taken a big hit with this patch, CTDs everywhere !BorrowedName wrote: I haven't had a CTD but Spring Cleaning isn't working anymore for me, which is weird since they had a version that worked with the beta patch apparently.Tenshigaki95 wrote: Well, it seems like Settlements mods (at least those i'm using, which are basicly the big classic ones) does'nt conflict with the patch at all.Not using Spring cleaning tho, no idea about this one =|gameprovidence wrote: Yeah, all the stuff that i removed uing spring cleaning is back (including ruins of houses that I had scrapped to make houses) and i now can't remove it. That and my Settlement supplies expanded mod isn't working and all of the furniture that comes from that mod has vanished. Spring Cleaning now works fine after updating it. Edited February 2, 2016 by RaffTheSweetling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordland1 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) In response to post #34071015. #34071450, #34071620, #34071680, #34072505, #34072540, #34072595, #34073190, #34073450, #34073500, #34074510, #34084490, #34084545, #34085065, #34088565, #34089440, #34090300, #34091345, #34091585, #34092545, #34092940, #34093350, #34093820 are all replies on the same post.Nordland1 wrote: For me, this fixed the CTD!(I got CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started.)And after some research in my mod list i found that "The Gore Overhaul" was the culprit.I still got the mod activated in NMM but I renamed the "gore" folder (the mods texture folder) so it won't load. And after that no more CTD's.arroya wrote: so what folders name did you change again? I want to try this. I am running EBT as wellNordland1 wrote: Sorry I mixed up two mods.For me it's "THE GORE OVERHAUL" mod who was causing the CTD.Not "Enhanced Blood Textures".I renamed the folder "Gore" by just adding a Z (zgore).You will find the folder in ".../Data/Textures/Gore"(I edited my first post with my new findings)arroya wrote: ok just renamed it. because i have gore overhaul as well lets see if it works Ill send you a pm I dont want to clog the thread. Check your messagesMadveD12 wrote: I also disabled "The Gore Overhaul" and CTD 5-10 seconds after the start of the game disappeared.iiicragiii16 wrote: It worked! Thank you sirPanaorios wrote: Thank you so much. This worked for me!grapser wrote: Thanks for the fix. XDNordland1 wrote: Glad that I could help! :)MickeyMcE wrote: Interesting I uninstalled "The Gore Overhaul" mod after reading this and it appears to have fixed my ctd as well for now. Good find, I was just getting ready to go through my mods and play the uninstall reinstall game. Thanks for saving me the headache. St4rkill3r wrote: Worked here too.At the start i was unable to play 5 mins long without a ctd.Now i did the rename of the folder and i played like 30 mins without problems so far, thanks a lot sir for the tip!Centerman wrote: Uninstalled Gore Overhaul and this worked. It corrected the CTD 5-10 seconds after game start. I still get a random CTD during what seem to be bloody battles. I'm disabling Mods little by little to find the additional culprit.billxsand wrote: Ugh thank you so much I should have checked the nexus first... uninstalled and reinstalled everything multiple times, lolololmanofglory wrote: You sir! win the prizescag318 wrote: work for me! THX!Desie wrote: What if we don't use that mod? I see everyone talking about this but I don't use it. Should I install that mod and then do what you said? ;aifejwakfa;oiewajfldskja CTDDDDDDDDDDDDDjerryh72 wrote: People who don't have that mod have the same ctd problem , this same problem came with the last update not just this one . If even the first update came out before i already put to many hours in too be able get a refund on this s#*! game , but no they let you play a stable version a few weeks before making it worse instead of better . If they want to fix it they should start by either using NewVegas or skyrims already working controls , dialog , animations , using the same format so we could just copy past mods from Skyrim too Fallout 4. No they use a completely different language , as if to say F;[]=-.u to the players modders and the Nexus mod site ! blackmumba1 wrote: Yeah, worked for me too, which is a relief because I was thinking I would have to reload the game and play vanilla FO4. Though, the update also revived Swan for some reason, not sure why, but I got to kill him again, so there's thatCenterman wrote: The Gore Overhaul caused a quick CTD. Got rid of it but I still crash but now only in a firefight with Raiders or Super Mutants. Disabled every Mod and .esp but still crashed during a fight. Deleted the .ini files and ran plain Vanilla FO4. Game did not crash and ran well. I suspect it's a stray texture, mesh, or something that is in the game directory.TheFinestSake wrote: THANK YOU!hanageboubounosuke wrote: You are a hero.julio131 wrote: but...but I don't use that MOD and still get CTD 5-10 seconds after the game started. :(tardmehigh wrote: Thank you so much! Have used like 2,5 hours trying "this and that" with no luck. Again, thank youIf you still get CTD's with mods installed then try with disable the whole Textures folder without uninstalling the mods.Beacuse (as far as I know) there is no mods that runs with scripts yet, so there is a big chance that it is textures or meshes that are causing the CTD's.I'm not an expert on these things but this is how I found out that it was the Gore Overhaul that was causing problems for me.I have been playing for about 1h and still no CTD. Edited February 2, 2016 by Nordland1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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