Where should USA funding go?

[csgators]

Food stamps help the economy and act as a stimulus. People will use food stamps almost as soon as they get them, so it gets money going faster.

 

You are using the broken window fallacy. The fact is those dollars are a net repressive influence on the economy. It has been taken from a profitable venture via taxes and on the way to the end user has been heavily dipped into by the bureaucracy and created more debt. Add that it rewards non-production in the end and it is not stimulus in any way.

[marharth]

Food stamps help the economy and act as a stimulus. People will use food stamps almost as soon as they get them, so it gets money going faster.

 

You are using the broken window fallacy. The fact is those dollars are a net repressive influence on the economy. It has been taken from a profitable venture via taxes and on the way to the end user has been heavily dipped into by the bureaucracy and created more debt. Add that it rewards non-production in the end and it is not stimulus in any way.

In no way does it reward being not productive, you need to have a certain income to use food stamps so only people who need them will use them.

To show my point instead of having to type it all out Ill give you some links.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/index.htm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106307995

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/07/gingrich-food-stamps-liberal-math/

http://www.cfpa.net/foodstamps/FSARF022003.PDF

[csgators]

Those studies are comparing food stamps to other methods of delivering money that has already been taken out of productive use. The fact is the money would be better off for the economy back with in place it was produced. Taxes take money from places that are producing money (value) and give it to places that don't. If the money was not taxed it could be used by the place creating value and production to increase that value and production. Instead it goes to reward an unproductive part of society.

[marharth]

Those studies are comparing food stamps to other methods of delivering money that has already been taken out of productive use. The fact is the money would be better off for the economy back with in place it was produced. Taxes take money from places that are producing money (value) and give it to places that don't. If the money was not taxed it could be used by the place creating value and production to increase that value and production. Instead it goes to reward an unproductive part of society.

So your suggesting we give that money to... who?

 

I have no idea were you got "The studies are comparing food stamps to other methods of delivering money." That had nothing to do with the core of it.

 

Its not a "reward to a unproductive part of society."

 

The simple fact is that it does help the economy. Food stamps help the people as well, and I wouldn't consider food a reward.

Edited May 1, 2011 by marharth

[csgators]

I am saying it would be more of a stimulus to not take the money in the first place, ie lower taxes. Taxes can only be raised from people who are making money. If they are making money that means they are providing value to society. When you take their money they have less money to reinvest in their business. So to say that taking money from someone who is working so I can give it someone who is not is stimulus is simply not true. Government doesn't produce anything, it only consumes. The larger the government the more you have to take from the productive part of society and as a result hinder the growth of that production.

[marharth]

I am saying it would be more of a stimulus to not take the money in the first place, ie lower taxes. Taxes can only be raised from people who are making money. If they are making money that means they are providing value to society. When you take their money they have less money to reinvest in their business. So to say that taking money from someone who is working so I can give it someone who is not is stimulus is simply not true. Government doesn't produce anything, it only consumes. The larger the government the more you have to take from the productive part of society and as a result hinder the growth of that production.

Having food stamps does not = unemployment

 

Lowering taxes is one of the worst ideas in fixing the economy. That is like the head of a businesses saying "Well we are not doing too good, so lets just slow down our funding to fix everything." Lowering taxes can only work on a small scale, and sometimes not even on a small scale.

 

 

Lowering taxes on large businesses and the rich will not help a thing. Lowering taxes on the middle and lower class MIGHT give incentive for them to use money correctly.

[csgators]

Lowering taxes is one of the worst ideas in fixing the economy. That is like the head of a businesses saying "Well we are not doing too good, so lets just slow down our funding to fix everything."

 

Make the case for raising to taxes to fix the economy. You make a statement that flies in the face of reason in my opinion. The government in not the economy.

 

As far as the slowing down funding argument goes, the smart business would cut expenses to bring the balance sheet in line with income. The money doesn't belong to the government, it belongs to the people who earned it. Income tax is theft and businesses are not allowed to go out and steal money to make up for budgetary shortfalls like the government does.

[marharth]

Make the case for raising to taxes to fix the economy. You make a statement that flies in the face of reason in my opinion. The government in not the economy.

 

As far as the slowing down funding argument goes, the smart business would cut expenses to bring the balance sheet in line with income. The money doesn't belong to the government, it belongs to the people who earned it.

The government is not the economy, but they control most of it with spending.

 

You have to have the expenses before you cut them.

 

Sure we need to cut our spending as well, but cutting spending alone won't fix it.

[grannywils]

I won't say anything much until this gets going since most people here dislike my political views.

 

The question is simple, where should funding go?

 

Medical purposes, to help businesses, for scientific research?

 

To make it simple try to use percentages and text explaining.

 

Marharth, I may post something on this topic a little later. But just wanted to respond to your original post.

 

I don't know that most people dislike your political views. I, for one, do not have a problem with many of them. However, you have a tendency to sometimes post without having all your facts at the ready. People do tend to become frustrated with that. A lot of our posters are quite well read and generally prepare themselves prior to posting. If they get a bit testy with you, I believe it is more to do with your style than with your substance.

 

Try looking up your information a little more thoroughly before posting. Or, if not, at least when you post something, state it as your opinion rather than as "fact". You may then avoid some of the harsh responses you sometimes get. Just a word to the wise.... :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

[marharth]

I won't say anything much until this gets going since most people here dislike my political views.

 

The question is simple, where should funding go?

 

Medical purposes, to help businesses, for scientific research?

 

To make it simple try to use percentages and text explaining.

 

Marharth, I may post something on this topic a little later. But just wanted to respond to your original post.

 

I don't know that most people dislike your political views. I, for one, do not have a problem with many of them. However, you have a tendency to sometimes post without having all your facts at the ready. People do tend to become frustrated with that. A lot of our posters are quite well read and generally prepare themselves prior to posting. If they get a bit testy with you, I believe it is more to do with your style than with your substance.

 

Try looking up your information a little more thoroughly before posting. Or, if not, at least when you post something, state it as your opinion rather than as "fact". You may then avoid some of the harsh responses you sometimes get. Just a word to the wise.... :thumbsup:

 

 

I am trying to be more careful with my posts now.

 

Looking back, I realized a lot of the stuff I posted was a bit wrong.

 

Anyways that isn't really the topic here :P