CTD when loading some games, but not others

[stuffmaniacle]

Alright, so this is a strange issue and I'm wondering if anyone could help. I've been modding for years so I'm not a noob, but I've never had an issue like this before. Here's the story.

So, I'm in the middle of a playthrough. I have a huge amount of mods (200 plugins exactly, my load order is below), so I expect a few CTDs here and there. My game, up until now, has been able to save and load just fine. However, after I enter Whiterun for the first time, any save I make becomes unloadable. There are not problems while I remain in-game, and saves I made before entering Whiterun remain fine, but any saves made after entering Whiterun CTD while loading (even if I've left the city). I've done everything I can think of, including rerunning all my patches (ASIS, Perkus Maximus, Bashed, FNIS), to using several save cleaners (Save Scalpel, Skyrim Save Cleaner). I don't think it's a load order problem, seeing as the game works just fine with any save made pre-Whiterun. If you have any questions about my load order, please ask. Several hours of my life are at stake here, haha.

I'm open to any suggestions, just throw them out and I'll try. I really don't want to throw this playthrough away.

Thanks!

 

 

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Edited February 9, 2016 by stuffmaniacle

[GiantSweetroll]

Do you use enboost and applied the skyrim memory patch? If not use it and install it as STEP explained (although i personally prefer gopher).

 

Besides that you explained that the issue happens after visiting whiterun for the first time? This mostly means that a certain event is fired after entering whiterun that is causing you to crash. Do you have any mods that alter whiterun especially scripted ones? I know breezehome fully upgradable is fine because i am using it as well no problem. Some plugins in the modlist says things like "patch.esp" or "merged.esp". Are these tes5edit merged plugins?

[stuffmaniacle]

Do you use enboost and applied the skyrim memory patch? If not use it and install it as STEP explained (although i personally prefer gopher).

 

Besides that you explained that the issue happens after visiting whiterun for the first time? This mostly means that a certain event is fired after entering whiterun that is causing you to crash. Do you have any mods that alter whiterun especially scripted ones? I know breezehome fully upgradable is fine because i am using it as well no problem. Some plugins in the modlist says things like "patch.esp" or "merged.esp". Are these tes5edit merged plugins?

Thank you for your reply.

 

I do use ENBoost and the SKSE memory tweaks, and also I've tried using SSME and Safteyload as replacements with no dice.

 

I'll take a look with TES5edit for anything that modifies Whiterun. As for the patches/merged ESPs, the only thing I can think of is DynDOLOD which I executed a script on (the way it was meant to be installed). Any other patches were created by other mod authors. Would providing my Papyrus log help?

Edited February 10, 2016 by stuffmaniacle

[jones177]

Use Skyrim Performance Monitor to see what your ram is doing before the crash & the size of your I/o load-in at the time of the crash..

 

I have had Skyrim do silly sized load-ins in Whitrun & Solitude. My normal load-in is around 365 mb but some load-ins in Whiterun go up to 2.7gbs. Higher than that my game crashes.

With my 250+ mod setup if I change the ugridstoload past 5 in some places I run out of memory before Skyrim can load. This shows up as the saves got older. I had to abandon saves at ugridstoload=7 because I got black textures when I tried to go back to 5.

 

Before the memory patches I could not save outside in Whiterun. I had to save in one of the small shops or Breezehome.

 

Make sure your SKSE ini has this.

 

[Memory]
DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768
ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

 

Use this to make sure it is working properly http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50471/?

 

Later

[scegielski]

I've had exactly the same thing happen recently. One clue was that the corrupt saves show a very high number of scripts (like over 1 billion) when loaded in to save cleaner (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?) and don't show the scripts themselves. The saves that work show a "normal" (around 6000) amount of scripts and do list them. My saves are around 25-26MB.

 

I suspected dyndolod so I removed the esp part of it (kept the static and tree lods) and now my saves seem back to normal within the save cleaner (shows ~6000 scripts). Unfortunately, regardless off the dyndolod change, my game is now very unstable and will crash often when loading exteriors. It was pretty solid before this as my character is level 17 and I have about 15+ hours into it I think. Also, I do have the usual SKSE memory fix, memory blocks log to check it, and enb memory fixes in place.

 

What ENB version are you using?

[stuffmaniacle]

Hey, all. I'd just like to say that I've fixed my problem by loading up an old save of the same playthrough and working my way back to where I was. While the old saves remain corrupted any new saves I make load up just fine. Thanks for the help, everyone!