Help with Load Order/Modding

[LunierKnightus]

Hello, I have been modding for some time but it has become apparent that I am not well versed in the proper way of modding as I experience frequent crashes, almost without reason, mostly because it isn't always obvious what caused it. Sometimes I can play for a good hour or so on my save, without any problems and suddenly it just CTDs after walking out of a door with a few seconds before it does so.

I wonder if it might be load order or if I'm missing any important steps in a heavily modded game. I am running SKSE and quite a few mods that are reliant on that, so I'm not sure if it's possible that my game is just too script heavy either. I run NMM and use its auto plugin sorting for most of my load order, aside from small tweaks made for specific mods.

 

Here is my load order, if there are any obvious problems with it.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

 

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1

ApachiiHair.esm=1

ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1

Campfire.esm=1

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1

RaceCompatibility.esm=1

AHZmoreHUD.esp=1

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1

WetandCold.esp=1

AOS.esp=1

AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp=1

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1

AOS2_EBT Patch.esp=1

Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp=1

AOS2_SupremeStorms_CoT Patch.esp=1

AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp=1

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp=1

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp=1

Clear Skies Fix - CoT version.esp=1

ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1

CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp=1

3DNPC.esp=1

Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1

CS_SoulFragmentsToSoulGems.esp=1

CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp=1

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1

ELFXEnhancer.esp=1

Tel_Nalta.esp=1

FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp=1

female mannequins.esp=1

female mannequins in homes.esp=1

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1

PerkusMaximus_Master.esp=1

PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp=1

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp=1

Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp=1

PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp=1

PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp=1

BCS - PERMA Patch EN.esp=1

SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp=1

Civil War Overhaul.esp=1

CWIELnFXPatch.esp=1

DeadlyDragons.esp=1

Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp=1

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp=1

dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp=1

EBT- Dg - Db - SIC.esp=1

hearthfireextended.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1

iHUD.esp=1

Immersive NPC in the dark.esp=1

Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp=1

Immersive Weapons.esp=1

ImprovedSneakDetection.esp=1

LiFE.esp=1

PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp=1

PerMa_USKP master patch.esp=1

Purewaters.esp=1

WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp=1

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1

Cloaks.esp=1

1nivWICCloaks.esp=1

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1

Run For Your Lives.esp=1

buildablehouse.esp=1

Immersive Patrols II.esp=1

SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp=1

Frostfall.esp=1

3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp=1

Cloaks - USKP Patch.esp=1

HoldBorderBanners.esp=1

iNeed.esp=1

3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp=1

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1

ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp=1

Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp=1

Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp=1

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1

Unique Uniques.esp=1

AOS2_GDO Patch.esp=1

AOS2_WAF Patch.esp=1

CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp=1

HFE-iNeed-Patch.esp=1

dovahkiinrelax.esp=1

FluffusMinimus_Legendaryish.esp=1

ExScrollAndQuill.esp=1

iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp=1

Insanity's Dragonbane.esp=1

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp=1

SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp=1

SkyUI.esp=1

SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp=1

SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp=1

SMIM-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp=1

SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp=1

Spell Light Radius.esp=1

Spousetocustomhome.esp=1

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1

The Ningheim.esp=1

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1

Thunderchild - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp=1

Thundering Shouts (normal pitch).esp=1

TKDodge.esp=1

TorchRadius.esp=1

TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp=1

Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp=1

WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1

When Vampires Attack.esp=1

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1

Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp=1

ASIS-Dependency.esp=1

ASIS.esp=1

PatchusMaximus.esp=1

[Amethystumn]

You should install the latest version of LOOT, it works wonders in making sure stuff is loaded in a proper order. I've been using it for years. Give it a try. Crashing after an hour or so sounds like a memory problem but I could have sworn that SKSE sorta fixes that. I don't know if SKSE includes Ugrids to Load but you could try that also.

 

I would have suggested that perhaps some mods are conflicting with eachother but if your game can load at all, that may not be the issue.

 

LOOT, looking at Ugrids to Load would be what I'd do in your position right now.

WetandCold, Frostfall are some script heavy mods as well. I don't know too much about computer parts (My friend is helping me buy parts) but if you're using a lot of script heavy mods that can impact on Skyrim as well. I don't know if I'm really being helpful but I wanted to try : )

[LunierKnightus]

I'm not certain on how to work LOOT but I will attempt that and what exactly do you mean, try Ugrids to Load? I thought that created more crashes usually. Or is that just increasing that via commands?

[Amethystumn]

I think messing with Ugrids would cause crashing... let me find some helpful links for you.

 

Stable uGridsToLoad by Altimor

Skyrim Stability Guide by FireFreak111

Speed and Stability Guide for ENB by tony971

 

I think in one of those guides it covers that if you have SKSE you don't need SSME or Safety Load because their features are contained in SKSE itself. Have a read through them, they should help : )


Here is what LOOT window looks like, it's super simple and handy. It'll let you know if there is anything wrong with the mods you have too! Here's the link to download it.
http://i.imgur.com/WOInXe1.png

Edited March 22, 2016 by Amethystumn

[LunierKnightus]

I think that second guide may well be the answer. Problem is, I've seen it before and I couldn't figure out how to download ENBoost and wasn't sure how much of the guide I should follow. If I needed to do all of that or just some. The ENBoost download site never took me to the actual file, confused me a lot. Maybe I'm just dumb and missed something.

[Amethystumn]

  On 3/22/2016 at 4:55 AM, LunierKnightus said:

I think that second guide may well be the answer. Problem is, I've seen it before and I couldn't figure out how to download ENBoost and wasn't sure how much of the guide I should follow. If I needed to do all of that or just some. The ENBoost download site never took me to the actual file, confused me a lot. Maybe I'm just dumb and missed something.

 

For ENB site you click downloads, scroll all the way down to TES Skyrim and then scroll all the way down again and you should see a list of binaries to choose from. Some ENB presets on the Nexus require older versions, I use an old version at the moment because for some reason the new SweetFX stuff tries to add in something for the wrong version of DirectX( It's a bit complicated) so I kept getting error messages and was convinced the ENB didn't work properly. I actually use the 256 Choice Performance version of RealVision.

 

STEP Wiki has a straight forward and simple guide for installing ENB boost, I forget how to do it properly if you're using the graphical parts of the ENB as well though, you might be able to find it somewhere... just don't set UsePatchSpeedhackWithoutGraphics to true it shouldn't mess with the visual part of your ENB.

 

Hope this helps :)

[LunierKnightus]

Wow, actually found where to get the files this time. XD Thanks a bunch. I'll try this and see if it works.