Fallout 4 Survival Mode Beta

[Deleted631007User]

In response to post #36176290. #36185910, #36213820, #36214055, #36223055, #36223765, #36227355 are all replies on the same post.

Sebastianus wrote: I really like most of those changes, but I'm not going to participate in this beta.

1. Mods I have literally double the FPS count, eliminate stuttering and most other significant bugs that Bethesda never seemed to care about for a decade (only two gamebreakers I can't get rid off: hotkey switching and texture unloading).
2. Lack of fast travel is a no-go. There is a line between immersion "for fun" and utter annoyance. I'm not willing to waste 10+ minutes to get to that damned settlement, which can't defend itself with 200+ defense and 3 meter tall wall without my help.
3. Saving got gimped way too hard. This is just another annoyance, not immersion. Not to mention that since the previous patch I occassionally get completely random CTDs.

In other words, I'll wait till the "official" update and mods that deal with the unnecessary annoyance.

Snowskeeper wrote: Re: 1, Bethesda needs to be able to know, for certain, which problems are caused by the changes to the base game in Survival mode. Mods, even optimization mods, make that more difficult to verify without having access to all of your information.
Re: 2, I haven't fast-travelled in Fallout 4 as of yet. It's a small map, relatively speaking, and there's enough going on in it that I never felt bored during my wanderings. That said, I also usually have an audiobook or podcast on in the background, so that's probably making me a little more tolerant of it.
I don't know what you mean about save gimping. I'll have to find a more complete version of the change log.

EDIT: Yeah, save gimping is bad; hopefully they change that.

Sebastianus wrote: I'm not stupid.
I can see the reason behind disabling mods in a beta update, but that's also a major reason I'm not willing to get it.
Plus, they are still to clean up after their last stunt with mod tampering, so I'm not holding my breath here.
On the other hand so far all "beta" updates went "official" without any changes.

The map is cramped to the point navigating it (which doesn't have a "search" function) is terribadly awful.
Finding anything in the Boston's "downtown" is pretty much impossible without comparing Pipboy with a location's image from the wikia.
Plus there is literally nothing worth of value, except for XP for re-visiting places and killing the same enemies over and over again.

jbMnemonic wrote: Hear, hear !!! - I second your opinion - Bethesda, please take note. I can still only play in Power armour as my pipboy is disabled despite having tried every single post's solution available everywhere, more than once, in fact 10's of times. :(:(:(

Scynix wrote: What was the point of this post? Who cares why you aren't going to use it?

I like both of the things you don't like.

Disabling fast travel gives alternate travel methods like the vertibird signal an actual purpose.

Forcing saves to be at static sleep locations forces players to be more careful about decisions, which in turn makes the speech checks more legitimate. If I fail a speech check I have to reload all the way back at whatever bed I was at last time if I want to try again.

See what I did there? I listed reasons its good. Does anyone care? No. :D

Vicalliose wrote: So basically you're saying that you don't want to be allowed to save scum because you cannot trust yourself not to do it? That's your problem, stop projecting your issues onto everyone else. You can also actively make the decision not to fast travel, why take it away from other people? Because you can't trust yourself not to use it either?

Also don't even bring up vertibirds as a good alternative to fast travel, that suggests that the player would only ever side with the brotherhood, and with as limited as players decisions already are in Fallout 4, basically FORCING you to choose the same side just to get a major benefit is just stupidly limiting.

Do you even understand that the survival mode is not just about locking you out of saves and fast traveling? There's features in there that many people have wanted for long time without ever wanting limited save and travel, things that the very poster you are replying to said they like. Do you lack the ability to understand that other people think differently about what makes a survival mode fun?

Scynix wrote: Uhm vicalliose..... have you even played the game completely to finish? The Brotherhood aren't the only people who get access to the vertibird as a form of transport.....

I was gonna respond to the rest of your droning, but as soon as I saw you hadn't actually -played the game- I kinda gave up. Sorry.

@Scynix
Now that you mention it, despite having over 560 hours in the game, no I never really noticed that the other factions allow you to use vertibirds after destroying the brotherhood (or I just completely forgot).

That is my own fault, and I apologize for that. Perhaps it's because I only bothered siding with the other factions up until after the end of the main quest and then just loaded my old save and went back to building settlements, or maybe it's just because I personally never even used them more than once. I admit I'm not much of a completionist.

Again, it's my own fault for being dumb enough to miss something like that and I apologize. Edited April 2, 2016 by Guest

[StarsongCD]

OK, this has me scared, I dont care about survival, HOW do I opt out of beta updates? Im looking all over steam and cant find this.

[Deleted631007User]

In response to post #36230465. #36230840, #36230890 are all replies on the same post.

StarsongCD wrote:

OK, this has me scared, I dont care about survival, HOW do I opt out of beta updates? Im looking all over steam and cant find this.

popcorn71 wrote: Unless you have explicitly opted in to beta testing at some point then you don't need to do anything.

You can opt in/out by: Right click Fallout 4 in you steam game library > Click Properties > Click Betas tab > Select 'NONE - Opt out of all beta programs' in the drop down options box.

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Vicalliose wrote: Well at least I think you posted before I edited in instructions. :P

You opt out of beta updates the same way you opt in. If you never opted in then there's no need to opt out.

To opt in or out, just right-click fallout 4, then click " properties " and you should open a new window where the " BETAS " tab will be just left of the " DLC " tab. Edited April 2, 2016 by Guest

[popcorn71]

In response to post #36230465. #36230825 is also a reply to the same post.

StarsongCD wrote:

OK, this has me scared, I dont care about survival, HOW do I opt out of beta updates? Im looking all over steam and cant find this.

Vicalliose wrote: You opt out of beta updates the same way you opt in. If you never opted in then there's no need to opt out.

Unless you have explicitly opted in to beta testing at some point then you don't need to do anything.

You can opt in/out by: Right click Fallout 4 in you steam game library > Click Properties > Click Betas tab > Select 'NONE - Opt out of all beta programs' in the drop down options box.

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[Deleted631007User]

In response to post #36230465. #36230825, #36230840 are all replies on the same post.

StarsongCD wrote:

OK, this has me scared, I dont care about survival, HOW do I opt out of beta updates? Im looking all over steam and cant find this.

Vicalliose wrote: You opt out of beta updates the same way you opt in. If you never opted in then there's no need to opt out.

To opt in or out, just right-click fallout 4, then click " properties " and you should open a new window where the " BETAS " tab will be just left of the "DLC" tab.

popcorn71 wrote: Unless you have explicitly opted in to beta testing at some point then you don't need to do anything.

You can opt in/out by: Right click Fallout 4 in you steam game library > Click Properties > Click Betas tab > Select 'NONE - Opt out of all beta programs' in the drop down options box.

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Well at least I think you posted before I edited in instructions. :P

[popcorn71]

In response to post #36230465. #36230825, #36230840, #36230890 are all replies on the same post.

StarsongCD wrote:

OK, this has me scared, I dont care about survival, HOW do I opt out of beta updates? Im looking all over steam and cant find this.

Vicalliose wrote: You opt out of beta updates the same way you opt in. If you never opted in then there's no need to opt out.

To opt in or out, just right-click fallout 4, then click " properties " and you should open a new window where the " BETAS " tab will be just left of the " DLC " tab.

popcorn71 wrote: Unless you have explicitly opted in to beta testing at some point then you don't need to do anything.

You can opt in/out by: Right click Fallout 4 in you steam game library > Click Properties > Click Betas tab > Select 'NONE - Opt out of all beta programs' in the drop down options box.

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Vicalliose wrote: Well at least I think you posted before I edited in instructions. :P

Its all good

[popcorn71]

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Sepherose wrote: That's a bit rude. People are concerned because things are happening very differently than before and Bethesda are being pretty dodgy about the changes. It's entirely reasonable to be concerned about it. Beyond that, so far, every change that has made it harder to activate mods in previous Beta patches has remained once they released. That in and of itself is a reason to be alarmed, as they have never taken action like that before.

popcorn71 wrote: Not only is that a bit rude, I find it rather unbecoming of a moderator. I didn't spend my hard earned money on a lifetime premium membership to see a moderator slinging insults at their own members...How exactly can people be confident that you can be impartial when you are acting like just another troll???

printerkop wrote: Popcorn is right.
He should get a refund and still keep being a premium member..

Not really what I was trying to get at...Honestly the lifetime premium membership has been an excellent investment but sometimes the moderators get a little crazy. Weather you like it or not, your words as a mod carry weight and that should NEVER be abused.

[StarsongCD]

WHEW, thanks guys. Sometimes steams layout can be a nightmare, especially if like me you dont have years and years of experience working with it.

[FlashGX]

have to say thanks for the start of your post couldnt figure out why i couldnt play my non survival chars

[FlashGX]

In response to post #36227920.

bubinga64 wrote: I'm looking forward to the new survival mode. I really think it should have been included in the game at launch as I would have loved to play that version to start. As long as they will still allow mods I'll be happy with any and all additions to immersion. Currently I'm an extremely immersive player. I actually WALK everywhere, and it even bothers me that the towns are unrealistically close. So if I want to mod in a sleeping bag because in real life I need to sleep so I can go to work, I should be able to sleep in an area where I'm not going to get attacked.

Immersive fast travel would be nice if it was balanced and not just usable if you are on the brotherhoods side.

i agree a sleeping bag would help, or maybe a map with sleeping locations would work too (their are literally hundreds of beds). teleporting is immersive if you have the tech, but i think you should only be able to choose the location when you are in the institute