Why can't i kill Butch in the 'Escape' section?

[SweetDaggerfall]

I just really want to for all the grief he gave me (and other vault dwellers) over the 16 years i had to put up with him.

 

When i try (during the 'Escape' part of the game) he just falls unconscious so i can't even loot him.

 

I even have removed his 'essential' flag in my Patch Plugin that loads last in my mod load list. I don't want to use the console to do anything as that just feels like cheating, so i'm looking for another way to fix his annoying desire to stay alive.

 

Now at some point in the past during when i first started playing and modding Fallout 3 i did manage to kill him in this section of the game, and going on the varios wiki entires about him i should still be able to do this.

 

I have not use any mods that make everyone essential, so this is one long standing niggle i have remaining in my modded game. So please help me be able to kill him in the gameplay.

 

My modlist:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Alton, IL.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CRAFT.esm

CALIBR.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

WYB.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition Main File.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

 

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

GNR Enhanced.esp

CONELRAD 640-1240.esp

Overhead3PCamera.esp

WYB-Base.esp

AbandonedShack.esp

falloutshelter.esp

MaintenanceShed.esp

Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp

LeatherBackpack-eng.esp

Merc Adventurer Armor-eng.esp

NightvisionGoggles(Powered).esp

 

NotSoFast.esp

PLFewerItems.esp

PLweightadjust.esp

Shadow and Dust - Southwest DC - Public.esp

Alton Addon.esp

RandomEncounters.esp

 

FO3 Wanderers Edition Main File.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition DLC Anchorage.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition DLC The Pitt.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition DLC Broken Steel.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp

 

UUF3P FWE Patch.esp

 

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

 

Fellout-Full.esp

Fellout-Anchorage.esp

Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp

FelloutPointLookout.esp

Fellout-Zeta.esp

 

Flora Overhaul.esp

megalight.esp

HZSmoothLight FO3.esp

FireLightFix.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors OA.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors BS.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors PL.esp

 

Merged Patch.esp

Blackened FWE + MMM.esp

Patch Plugin Load Last.esp

 

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In FO3Edit the entries i have for Butch are:(Non-Player Character>0001CE26>CG03Butch>Butch)

 

Fallout3.esm: Essential, No Low Level Processing

 

Patch Plugin Load Last.esp: No Low Level Processing

 

There are no other references for this Char, so it must be the right one, but even with the removal of the 'Essential' flag in that last esp he still remains non-killable in my game set up.

 

So any suggestions on what to do, thanks in advance.

[SweetDaggerfall]

Ok i worked it out. There is a duplicate entry for Butch (actually 3, 2 in Fallout.esm and 1 in FWE).

 

The mod part in question is:

 

FO3 Wanderers Edition Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

 

Butch is set as essential in this, and this entry is not overridden by my entry in my Patch Plugin Load Last.esp, so that essential flag over-rules any earlier instance in my load order. So a quick edit to 'copy as override' this instance of Butch into my Patch Plugin Load Last.esp and removing the essential flag here solved the issue. I can now kill Butch as i should be able to in Escape, if i so wish.

 

Might help others that have come across this issue also.

Edited April 9, 2016 by SweetDaggerfall