lol779595 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I have never understood when i am in the mist of a bunch of feral ghouls and I start killing them, why I would get good karma for killing creatures that attack you. Is there a mod to remove this, or if not could someone make one? I am useless with the geck but it would seem that something like this would be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AveTruetoCaesar Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I think it's because your freeing them from suffering or something, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol779595 Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 I think it's because your freeing them from suffering or something,ya but there is no other choice if your being attacked, and unless you use a mod they will always be your enemy, so I don't think they should give a good karma bonus for killing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmileyCat Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Its because they are in a faction which is marked as Evil thus making the game reward you a random amount of karma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakeelvin Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Karma is from the perspective of human civilization, specifically this means "civilized" people and does not include raiders, gang members, thieves, thugs, murderers or cannibals. Ghouls are cannibals so killing them earns good karma. You are doing human civilization a service. One trick I learned if I want to lower my karma without making anyone hostile is when I'm in an unoccupied building and there are "red" items lying around I'll just pick them all up and then dump them again (or take and sell) and slowly it works my karma down. One weakness of the karma balance in the game is that the worst crimes like murder don't lower your karma enough each time. They should lower it in proportion to the faction hit you take by killing a faction member. That would make more sense. Currently if you kill 1 or 2 NCR soldiers, or 1 or 2 Legion soldiers their factions will pretty much hate you. It should work like that with karma if you kill only 1 or 2 innocent people. Maybe there's a mod for that somewhere. EDIT: Karma itself is not a faction though, its a universal measure from the perspective of "civilization" and I think it is not currently balanced to take into proper account evil deeds. That more than anything seems to be the real problem if you are trying to remain a neutral or evil person in the game. Edited July 5, 2011 by drakeelvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWolf Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 You can download mods that'll stop the karma increase. I don't know what they're named, but I assure you they exist. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol779595 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Ya, I am trying to have an evil character which is really hard since you gain to much good karma whether you like it or not. I have even taken the cannibal perk to lower my karma and even with murdering many innocents and eating even more people i still have the karma rating of very good for killing some ferals and fiends. I don't think someone who completed the devour of nations achievement (eat 200 people) should be considered good none the less very good. I find it ironic that after i eat a couple people i go to check my karma rating and it says messiah. Lol if that's a messiah i don't want to see the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWolf Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 ... Lol. I haven't done an evil play but that sounds hilarious. Murder 200 innocents and consume their flesh + kill one feral ghoul = you're a saint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol779595 Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 ... Lol. I haven't done an evil play but that sounds hilarious. Murder 200 innocents and consume their flesh + kill one feral ghoul = you're a saint!Lol ya i finally found a mod that fixes that, so now i am an evil guy. I have a couple mods that really increase the number of enemies like ferals and fiends so it was annoying trying to knock down my karma rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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