klaoth Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Update: The crashes don't seem specifically related to Better Cities. Almost any mod added from my stable game causes the crashes near doors to town, purple texture in some wilderness, no floors in buildings, etc, etc. I have tried around 30-40 mods which cause this when added about 95% of the time. For some reason Frans Leveled Creatures/Items is exempt from this and I can have all or none of those with 0 problems. If anyone has any idea please let me know. Thank you! I currently have quite a few mods working relatively well together almost exclusively installed through Bain and while obviously there were a few landscape malfunctions I could find no ways to cause a crash before loading Better Cities. Now no matter what portions of it I install I get near constant CTDs. One very noticeable one is the exit of Anvil towards the docks which causes a crash in the same place 99.5% of the time. There are no missing meshes and textures so I can only figure that Better Cities is having an all out war with one of my other mods. Are there any mods that are well known for causing this? I tried this same Better Cities install on an almost clean copy and had 0 problems even enabling all open cities. • 00 Oblivion.esm • 01 GTAesgaard_2.esm • 02 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0] • 03 Windfall.esm • 04 Jog_X_Mod.esm • 05 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3.1] • 06 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI] • 07 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI] • 08 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI] • 09 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] • 0A TamRes.esm • 0B CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm • 0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c] • 0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm • 0E CLS-Craftybits.esm • 0F CM Partners.esm • 10 ScreenEffects.esm • • • TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp • • • TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk.esp • • • TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp • 11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5] • 12 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp • 13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp • 14 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.2] • • • MOBS SI.esp [Version 2.0] • 15 TamRes.esp • 16 FranOBSEConfig.esp [Version 0.5] • 17 All Natural.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 18 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3] • ++ Symphony of Violence.esp • 19 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp • 1A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3] • 1B VanityCameraSmoother.esp • ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] • 1C P1DseeYouSleep.esp • 1D P1DseeYouSleep - Vampire Bedroll Anims.esp • 1E Portable Campsite.esp • ++ P1DseeYouSleep - Portable Campsite.esp • ++ Regrowing Nirnroot - Dissappear Reappear.esp [Version 1.01] • ++ shiveringislesdoorusable.esp • 1F Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.3] • 20 Choices and Consequences.esp [Version 2.02] • 21 C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp • 22 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4] • 23 ScreenControls.esp • 24 Streamline 3.1.esp • 25 DLCHorseArmor.esp • 26 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] • 27 DLCOrrery.esp • 28 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] • • • DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp • 29 DLCVileLair.esp • 2A DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] • 2B P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp • 2C DLCMehrunesRazor.esp • 2D DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • • • DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp • 2E DLCSpellTomes.esp • ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] • 2F ACCCGR SI.esp • 30 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3] • 31 vermillionandsilverthorn.esp • 32 Thieves Arsenal.esp • ++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp • 33 Mage Equipment.esp • 34 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp • 35 DLCThievesDen.esp • 36 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] • • • DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp • 37 Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp • 38 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp • 39 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp • 3A Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp • 3B Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp • 3C Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp • 3D Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp • 3E Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp • ++ Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp • 3F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp • 40 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp • 41 Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp • 42 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] • 43 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] • ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] • 44 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp • 45 CurseOfHircine.esp • 46 CoH Werewolves Mixed.esp • ++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c] • 47 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] • • • TamrielTravellers Vwalk.esp • 48 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c] • 49 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] • • • ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp • • • TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp [Version 2] • 4A Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01] • 4B Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8] • 4C AdenseEpicDungeon.esp • 4D Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp • 4E BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.0.12] • 4F Castle_Domrose_V1.2.esp • 50 Gift of Kynareth.esp • 51 GTAesgaard.esp • 52 GTAesgaard_2.esp • 53 JolardHome.esp • 54 300_White Stallion 4.esp • 55 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp • 56 Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp • 57 KvatchCastleMakeover.esp • 58 GlenvarCastle.esp • 59 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5] • 5A LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5] • 5B Malevolent.esp • 5C MountainTower.esp [Version 6.0] • 5D mrSiikas_DwemerTechnology_DwemerSubway.esp • 5E Servant of the Dawn.esp • 5F Side's Sailing Ships.esp [Version 0.93.5] • ++ Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp [Version 1.2] • 60 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4] • 61 TheElderCouncil.esp • 62 thievery.esp • 63 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2] • 64 Trail South East.esp • 65 Trail WEST.esp • 66 Trail EAST.esp • 67 Trail Central.esp • 68 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp • 69 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.5] • 6A Windfall.esp • 6B DLCBattlehornCastle.esp • 6C DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 6D DLCFrostcrag.esp • 6E Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp • 6F FrostcragRebornCobl.esp • • • DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp • 70 Knights.esp • 71 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1] • • • Knights Vwalk.esp • 72 SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30] • 73 Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 2.0] • • • DLC_MOBS.esp • 74 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1] • 75 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1] • ++ cybCrashFix.esp • 76 TOTF.esp • 77 RTT.esp • 78 The Lost Spires.esp • 79 GuardsofCyrodiilRedux.esp [Version 1.12] • 7A Blood&Mud.esp • 7B Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2] • 7C Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp • 7D HoarfrostCastle.esp • 7E MannimarcoComplete.esp • 7F Tamriel.esp • 80 ElsweyrAnequina.esp • 81 Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp • 82 Walkabout.esp • 83 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.1] • 84 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.5] • 85 TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp • 86 TWMP_Morrowind.esp • 87 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.3] • 88 Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp [Version 2.0] • 89 Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.9] • 8A Vergayun.esp [Version 1.0.7] • 8B xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 8C LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp • 8D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] • 8E xulTheHeath.esp • 8F FranMWL-TheHeath patch.esp • 90 XulEntiusGorge.esp • 91 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 92 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp • 93 TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp [Version 1.2] • 94 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp • 95 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1] • 96 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2] • 97 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4] • 98 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3] • 99 Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.esp • 9A xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 9B HoarfrostCastle-LushWoodlands patch.esp • 9C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3] • 9D SentientWeaponII-AncientYews patch.esp • 9E xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] • 9F xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] • A0 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3] • A1 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] • A2 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp • A3 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3] • A4 xulPantherRiver.esp • A5 Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp • A6 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] • A7 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1] • A8 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7] • A9 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] • AA xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] • AB Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AC GiftOfKynareth-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AD TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AE KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AF CastleRavenpride-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • B0 DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • B1 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] • B2 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1] • B3 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2] • B4 Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] • B5 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp • B6 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] • B7 SideSailingShips-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0] • B8 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.1] • B9 NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp [Version 3.0.1] • BA TrailsOfCyrodiil-UL merged patch.esp • BB BravilSeaDomes.esp • BC bartholm.esp • BD Fort Akatosh Redux.esp • BE FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp • BF Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] • C0 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] • C1 AutoBookPlacer.esp [Version 3.02] • C2 DecoratorAssistant v1.1.esp • C3 DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp • ++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp • C4 Werewolf-Legends.esp • C5 CLS-Craftybits.esp [Version 6] • C6 Quest Award Leveller.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp • C7 StartChoices.esp • C8 RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2] • C9 EnchantmentRestore.esp • ++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp • CA Deadlier Sneaking 1.1.esp • CB RenGuardOverhaul.esp • CC Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5] • CD Armorer's Advantage.esp • CE Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.esp • CF Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp [Version 2.0] • D0 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp • D1 RealisticLeveling.esp • ++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76] • D2 CM Partners.esp • • • CM Partners Vwalk.esp • D3 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp • • • CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp • D4 CM Partners NPC.esp • • • CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp • D5 CM Partners More NPCs.esp • • • CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp • D6 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp • • • CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp • D7 CompanionshipRing.esp • D8 Sonia.esp • • • Sonia Vwalk.esp • • • Sensual Walks.esp • • • Sensual Walks SI.esp • • • Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp • • • NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp • ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] • • • All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3] • D9 Bashed Patch, 0.esp Edited July 8, 2011 by klaoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crudius Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Hi, Cant say its your problem, but had lots of problems with B.C and Let the people drink.....constant CTD's Worked well before i added LTPD....added it, problems. Took it out, back to running ok.Looks like a great mod,shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaoth Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Hi, Cant say its your problem, but had lots of problems with B.C and Let the people drink.....constant CTD's Worked well before i added LTPD....added it, problems. Took it out, back to running ok.Looks like a great mod,shame. I'll definitely give that one a try early. Seems odd for that one to cause problems considering they specifically noted it as one that worked well. The other one I'm curious about is Reneer's Guard Overhaul. EDIT: I'm starting to wonder if I hit a cap on # of mods... Grahhhhh, I don't get it. Any better cities patch I added caused a crash, but when I take away a different mod to add another better cities one it still crashes. Edit 2: I can definitely say that Better Cities is crashing horribly when too many Better Cities patches are added... any ideas what could be causing this? Edited July 7, 2011 by klaoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorians Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 You don't have Better Cities installed. Better Cities won't work very well if it isn't installed. I seem to recall ScreenEffects.esm being a problem file. You should only use one of these, not both:LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5] VaultsofCyrodiil.esp is incompatible with BC. Use VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp instead, found in the BC archive. I believe some people find RenGuardOverhaul.esp unstable. You're using an outdated version of TheElderCouncil.esp. Update to the latest version (and clean it with TES4Edit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaoth Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) You don't have Better Cities installed. Better Cities won't work very well if it isn't installed. I seem to recall ScreenEffects.esm being a problem file. You should only use one of these, not both:LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5] VaultsofCyrodiil.esp is incompatible with BC. Use VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp instead, found in the BC archive. I believe some people find RenGuardOverhaul.esp unstable. You're using an outdated version of TheElderCouncil.esp. Update to the latest version (and clean it with TES4Edit). Some good advice there. I'll make those changes and report back. I'll upload the list again with BC and the changes if it doesn't fix it. Thanks for your help. Edit: Okay, disabling all of those and a lot more further testing has gotten me right back to square one. My original thought that I'm getting too close to the 255 mod cap seems to be related, but I'm only around 230, and even counting the ones merged it bash it should only be about 250. Are there any other caps that exist I could be hitting? Because this problem seems to occur with far too many things to really be just a Better Cities reacting with other mods issue. Either way I attached my new current set of mods based on changes above. This does not work without about 4 mods removed. And removing Frans mods does nothing to help, which is a definite oddity. This is driving me crazy. So close to just trying to remove a large number of mods to get around it. • 00 Oblivion.esm • 01 GTAesgaard_2.esm • 02 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0] • 03 Windfall.esm • 04 Jog_X_Mod.esm • 05 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3.1] • 06 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI] • 07 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI] • 08 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI] • 09 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72] • 0A TamRes.esm • 0B CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm • 0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c] • 0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm • 0E Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.9.5] • 0F CLS-Craftybits.esm • 10 CM Partners.esm • • • TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp • • • TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk.esp • • • TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp • 11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5] • 12 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp • 13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp • 14 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.2] • • • MOBS SI.esp [Version 2.0] • 15 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0] • 16 TamRes.esp • 17 FranOBSEConfig.esp [Version 0.5] • 18 All Natural.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 19 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3] • ++ Symphony of Violence.esp • 1A Atmospheric Oblivion.esp • 1B All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3] • 1C VanityCameraSmoother.esp • ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76] • 1D P1DseeYouSleep.esp • 1E P1DseeYouSleep - Vampire Bedroll Anims.esp • 1F Portable Campsite.esp • ++ P1DseeYouSleep - Portable Campsite.esp • ++ Regrowing Nirnroot - Dissappear Reappear.esp [Version 1.01] • ++ shiveringislesdoorusable.esp • 20 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.3] • 21 Choices and Consequences.esp [Version 2.02] • 22 C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp • 23 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4] • 24 Streamline 3.1.esp • 25 DLCHorseArmor.esp • 26 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] • 27 DLCOrrery.esp • 28 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4] • • • DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp • 29 DLCVileLair.esp • 2A DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6] • 2B P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp • 2C DLCMehrunesRazor.esp • 2D DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • • • DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp • 2E DLCSpellTomes.esp • ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] • 2F ACCCGR SI.esp • 30 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3] • 31 vermillionandsilverthorn.esp • 32 Thieves Arsenal.esp • ++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp • 33 Mage Equipment.esp • 34 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp • 35 DLCThievesDen.esp • 36 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9] • • • DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp • 37 Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp • 38 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp • 39 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp • 3A Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp • 3B Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp • 3C Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp • 3D Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp • 3E Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp • ++ Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp • 3F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp • 40 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp • 41 Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp • 42 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72] • 43 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63] • ++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44] • 44 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp • 45 CurseOfHircine.esp • 46 CoH Werewolves Mixed.esp • ++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c] • 47 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] • • • TamrielTravellers Vwalk.esp • 48 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c] • 49 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c] • • • ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp • • • TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp [Version 2] • 4A Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01] • 4B Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8] • 4C AdenseEpicDungeon.esp • 4D Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp • 4E BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.0.12] • 4F Castle_Domrose_V1.2.esp • 50 Gift of Kynareth.esp • 51 GTAesgaard.esp • 52 GTAesgaard_2.esp • 53 JolardHome.esp [Version 4.7.0] • 54 300_White Stallion 4.esp • 55 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp • 56 Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp • 57 KvatchCastleMakeover.esp • 58 GlenvarCastle.esp • 59 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5] ~removed~ • 5A LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5] • 5B Malevolent.esp • 5C MountainTower.esp [Version 6.0] • 5D mrSiikas_DwemerTechnology_DwemerSubway.esp • 5E Servant of the Dawn.esp • 5F Side's Sailing Ships.esp [Version 0.93.5] • ++ Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp [Version 1.2] • 60 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4] • 61 thievery.esp • 62 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2] • 63 Trail South East.esp • 64 Trail WEST.esp • 65 Trail EAST.esp • 66 Trail Central.esp • 67 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp • 68 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.5] • 69 Windfall.esp • 6A DLCBattlehornCastle.esp • 6B DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 6C DLCFrostcrag.esp • 6D Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp • 6E FrostcragRebornCobl.esp • • • DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp • 6F Knights.esp • 70 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1] • • • Knights Vwalk.esp • 71 SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30] • 72 Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 2.0] • • • DLC_MOBS.esp • 73 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1] • 74 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1] • ++ cybCrashFix.esp • 75 TOTF.esp • 76 RTT.esp • 77 The Lost Spires.esp • 78 GuardsofCyrodiilRedux.esp [Version 1.12] • 79 Blood&Mud.esp • 7A Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2] • 7B Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp • 7C HoarfrostCastle.esp • 7D MannimarcoComplete.esp • 7E Tamriel.esp • 7F ElsweyrAnequina.esp • 80 Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp • 81 Walkabout.esp • 82 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.1] • 83 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.5] • 84 TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp • 85 TWMP_Morrowind.esp • 86 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.3] • 87 Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp [Version 2.0] • 88 Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.9] • 89 Vergayun.esp [Version 1.0.7] • 8A xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5] • 8B LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp • 8C xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2] • 8D xulTheHeath.esp • 8E FranMWL-TheHeath patch.esp • 8F XulEntiusGorge.esp • 90 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 91 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp • 92 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp • 93 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1] • 94 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2] • 95 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4] • 96 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3] • 97 Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.esp • 98 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1] • 99 HoarfrostCastle-LushWoodlands patch.esp • 9A xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3] • 9B SentientWeaponII-AncientYews patch.esp • 9C xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6] • 9D xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3] • 9E xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3] • 9F xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1] • A0 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp • A1 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3] • A2 xulPantherRiver.esp • A3 Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp • A4 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2] • A5 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1] • A6 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7] • A7 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0] • A8 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1] • A9 Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AA GiftOfKynareth-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AB TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AC KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AD CastleRavenpride-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AE DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp • AF xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2] • B0 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1] • B1 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2] • B2 Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1] • B3 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp • B4 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12] • B5 SideSailingShips-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0] • B6 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.1] • B7 NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp [Version 3.0.1] • B8 TrailsOfCyrodiil-UL merged patch.esp • B9 BravilSeaDomes.esp • BA bartholm.esp • BB Fort Akatosh Redux.esp • BC FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp • BD Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0] • ++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0] • BE Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0] • BF AutoBookPlacer.esp [Version 3.02] • C0 DecoratorAssistant v1.1.esp • C1 DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp • ++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp • C2 Werewolf-Legends.esp • C3 CLS-Craftybits.esp [Version 6] • C4 Quest Award Leveller.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp • ++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp • C5 StartChoices.esp • C6 RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2] • C7 EnchantmentRestore.esp • ++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp • C8 Deadlier Sneaking 1.1.esp • C9 Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5] • CA Armorer's Advantage.esp • CB Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.esp • CC Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp [Version 2.0] • CD Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp • CE RealisticLeveling.esp • ++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76] • ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76] • CF CM Partners.esp • • • CM Partners Vwalk.esp • D0 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp • • • CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.esp • D1 CM Partners NPC.esp • • • CM Partners NPC Vwalk.esp • D2 CM Partners More NPCs.esp • • • CM Partners More NPCs Vwalk.esp • D3 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp • • • CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.esp • D4 CompanionshipRing.esp • D5 Sonia.esp • • • Sonia Vwalk.esp • D6 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp [Version 4.9.5] • D7 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0] • D8 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.9.5] • D9 Better Cities - All Natural.esp [Version 4.9.5] • DA Better Cities B&M - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.9.5] • DB Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 4.8.0] • DC Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.8.4] • DD Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp [Version 4.7.0] • DE Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1] • DF Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.9.1] • E0 Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 4.8.0] • E1 Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp [Version 4.8.4] • E2 Better Cities - Werewolf-Legends.esp [Version 4.8.4] • E3 Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp [Version 4.9.5] • E4 Better Cities - Dwemer Subway.esp [Version 4.8.1] • E5 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1] • ++ Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp [Version 4.9.5] • • • Sensual Walks.esp • • • Sensual Walks SI.esp • • • Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp • • • NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp • ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53] • • • All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3] • E6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp Edited July 8, 2011 by klaoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomlong54210 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 If you're using ScreenEffects, make sure to grab the update OBGE DLL and remove the old OBGE.dll that was packaged with ScreenEffects. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30054 <-- You only need to install the core. It's fine that the DLL names don't match. OBGE was known to cause crashes, particularly during interior-exterior transitions. The new DLL doesn't have that issue. --Tomlong54210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaoth Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Does a large number of "inactive" mods such as the ones being added to the bashed patch cause a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomlong54210 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 It can, but the soft cap (all plugins and BSA files, regardless of whether or not they are active) is ~300-400. I don't think you're there yet. If you are near that threshold, have you turned on auto-ghosting in Wrye Bash? Right-click on the 'File' header and check it. --Tomlong54210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorians Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 You're no longer using TheElderCouncil.esp so you probably don't need CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm anymore. If the crashing still occurs only when using BC, then remove everything except BC and the BC patches (so keep the mods the patches are for too) - see if the problem persists. If it does, you've at least narrowed it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaoth Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) It can, but the soft cap (all plugins and BSA files, regardless of whether or not they are active) is ~300-400. I don't think you're there yet. If you are near that threshold, have you turned on auto-ghosting in Wrye Bash? Right-click on the 'File' header and check it. --Tomlong54210 Hrm, 71 BSA, 18 esm, and 277 esp files. Time to try out that ghosting.... If I wanted to try merging some esp files to try to cut down on such silly numbers are there any general rules on what sorts of files should go together? All I've really read about are combining mods that add items to the world. Edited July 8, 2011 by klaoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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