60fps inside, 10fps outside?

[PaddyBoy94]

Whenever I am in an interior location, my game runs at a smooth 60fps the entire time but as soon as I step outside the framerate drops considerably, to a crawl. I have around 150 mods installed and when I disabled them all, it goes back to 60fps in Goodsprings again. I donʻt know what mod could be causing this to only happen in Goodsprings. Any help is appreciated.

Update: Seems to only happen when in Goodsprings. Once I leave Goodsprings, 60fps again. Even in places like Primm, I still get 60fps.

Edited May 7, 2016 by PaddyBoy94

[dubiousintent]

I don't have any specific knowledge to offer, but it is highly suspicious that you are having such as a massive drop in FPS around Goodsprings only. Some drop is expected in exteriors versus interiors simply because there is usually more to be rendered. You need to look into what mods you have installed that are specific to Goodsprings. Try to determine if it is everywhere in the town or only in specific spots. Also, pay attention to the environment (i.e. daylight or night, weather, dust storms, etc.). Things like flickering light, smoke, and dust particles can put a heavy load on a graphics processor. Providing your Load Order and a list of any texture replacers you are using may provide some more insights.

 

If you are using high resolution texture replacers, they might be causing a problem though they will usually be more widely spread in their impact. You can test if that is the issue by trying some lower screen resolutions and see if that improves FPS. (The impact of a given image resolution is closely linked with the display screen resolution in the amount of memory required to render the image.)

 

More than anywhere between 130-140 (depending upon your system capability) active plugins will cause problems in FNV. You can use a "Wrye Flash" Bashed Patch or manually created "merge patch" to reduce the number of active plugins needed, and "merge plugins" to combine non-conflicting mod files to also reduce the active count.

 

-Dubious-

[PaddyBoy94]

Thanks for the reply. I am going to try these methods later on when I get home to see if I can root out the problem. I thought it may be Goodsprings Filler causing the slowdown, but after disabling it, seems it is not the case. The only texture replacers I used really are weapon texture replacers so I donʻt think textures may be the problem and the game runs slowly regardless of my resolution. I thought the slowdown may be caused by the dust effects in Goodsprings so I downloaded a mod (CleanNV) just to rid the particle effects of the dust storms that appear there but it doesnʻt seem to have affected the slowdown at all. Iʻve used Wrye Flash to reduce the count but problem remains. My load order is as follows:

 

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm

Sortomatic.esm

Run the Lucky 38.esm

IWR.esm

AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm

Momod.esm

Military Explansion Program.esm

Niner.esm

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm

AWOPDeadMoney.esm

NVWillow.esp

More Traits.esm

SomeguySeries.esm

HDTshop.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

More Perks.esm

More Perks for Companions.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Caliber.esm

CaliberXgunrunners.esm

CaliberXhonesthearts.esm

CFWNV.esm

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

NevadaSkies.esm

Clean-Deluxe FNV.esm

Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm

CompanionInfAmmo.esm

STUN.esm

Sortomatic-AWOP.esm

YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

More Perks for Companions Update.esp

PerkEveryLevel.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp

Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Leveled.Lists.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.CaliberX4+.Patch.esp

Reload Sounds.esp

Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro_NV.esp

Better Game Performance.esp

Smalltalk.esp

roosesperformancepacknewvegas.esp

Sorter - Combined.esp

AWOP-MoMod.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

Clean-Deluxe FNV Merge - AWOP.esp

NCR Rearmament v1.5 (Lore).esp

Project Nevada - All DLC.esp

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp

The Lucky 38 Empire.esp

NiptonRebuilt.esp

More Perks Update.esp

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

Monster Mod Wasteland Edition.esp

AWOPCaliberXAmmoPatch.esp

delilah.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp

CNR_Beta.esp

IMPACT.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

QS_Blackwolf_NV_Backpackmod.esp

Alternative Repairing.esp

TheInheritance.esp

NewVegasBountiesIII.esp

Russell.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.esp

IWR - Rebuilt.esp

CourierCacheWSE.esp

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esp

Clean-Deluxe FNV - DeadMoney.esp

Clean-Deluxe FNV - OldWorldBlues.esp

WMX-DLCMerged.esp

WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp

Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp

Goodsprings Filler.esp

AWOPDeadMoneyVendorPatch.esp

Companion Sandbox Mode3.esp

NewVegasBounties.esp

NewVegasBountiesII.esp

More Traits Update.esp

Advanced Recon Armor.esp

ShilohDS-Color Maps and Icons.esp

DYNAVISION 3 LITE - Dynamic Lens Effect.esp

CompanionInfAmmoCheat.esp

AWOP-PNRebalanceHPpatch.esp

SunnyCompanion.esp

UnlimitedCompanions.esp

AWOP - Russell.esp

HDTshop.esp

Alternative Repairing - Additional Campfires.esp

KingOfTheRing.esp

CompanionInfAmmoOptional.esp

ImmersivePickupSoundsFNV.esp

Sorter - Dead Money.esp

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

MiscItemIconsNV.esp

LFox Bottle That Water.esp

Alternative Repairing - Bottle That Water.esp

Alternative Repairing - Breakdown Item Icons.esp

Clean-Deluxe FNV - LonesomeRoad.esp

Alternative Repairing - Ultimate Edition.esp

ELECTRO-CITY - Imaginator.esp

GRA-WRP-Patch-Two_Unofficial.esp

KillableKids.esp

LFox Missing Ammo Recipes GRA DLC.esp

LFox Missing Ammo Recipes HH DLC.esp

LFox Missing Ammo Recipes.esp

Improved Throwing1.esp

Near Death.esp

LightUpAndSmokeThoseCigarettes_edisleado.esp

STUN.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.LITE.esp

Ragdolls.esp

Moddable Unique Weps.esp

BrighterPipboyLight.esp

ADAM - HH.esp

ADAM - LR.esp

ADAM - MAIN.esp

CAGE 1.9.3.2.esp

ADAM - NCR Patrol Armour.esp

ADAM - Nemesis Armours.esp

ADAM - Outcast Ranger Armour.esp

Willow by Dracomies v2.esp

Willow by Dracomies.esp

Better Burned Man.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Honest.Hearts.Grunt.Patch.esp

Project Nevada - WMX.esp

WMX-ModernWeapons.esp

WMX-POPMerged.esp

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Cheat.Cabinet.esp

Holster Gear.esp

Reactive People - Ultimatum.esp

ADAM - Project Nevada Patch.esp

OldWorldRadio.esp

Sunglasses Shipment.esp

Follower Home Marker.esp

CASM with MCM.esp

Hood.esp

TFH Better Authority Glasses.esp

AWOP-IMPACT-WMX-EVE AllDLCMerged.esp

FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting - Full.esp

NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edited May 8, 2016 by PaddyBoy94

[dubiousintent]

You have 160 active plugins there, though as you are using a Bashed Patch some of them are probably not active (the ones with the green "+" in their checkbox) because they were completely merged into the BP. (Wrye Flash has a context menu "List Mods" command (right-click on the "Mods" tab "File" header label) for copying the LO for pasting elsewhere.) Strange, erratic things happen when you get between 130-140 active plugins. You should start to look into "merging plugins".

 

I've been playing the "NV Bounties" series, but only installing each as I get to that point. I noticed an FPS slowdown once I installed NVB-II and "The Inheritance", which are more script intensive. But it was more general rather than confined to the Goodsprings area. "Reactive People" seems like it might also be more script intensive, but I have no experience with it. The "LightUpAndSmokeThoseCigarettes_edisleado" mod is a similar situation.

 

While a lot of "added weapon and/or armor" mods place them in Doc Mitchell's, that is an interior rather than an exterior cell, so I tend to discount them as the source of the problem. However, if they "initialize" when you exit Doc's, that might cause a temporary slowdown. But it shouldn't be there if you arrive from elsewhere.

 

Most of the other mods I've heard of problems with are not specific to Goodsprings either, so you are probably going to have to isolate the problem mod(s) by uninstalling (not just disabling though you can try that first) and testing.

 

-Dubious-

Edited May 9, 2016 by dubiousintent

[PaddyBoy94]

Thanks very much for the informative answers. I have taken your advice and looked into merging plugins to lower my plugin count. I also took onboard what you said about initialising items and discovered the slowdown was created by Weapons of the new Milleniaʻs cheat cabinet.esp which placed a cabinet full of its weapons and every type of ammo into the middle of Goodsprings, causing my slowdown upon leaving Docʻs. I have disabled the esp and my game runs at a smooth 60fps throughout now. Thanks again for all your help.

[dubiousintent]

Glad I could get you pointed in the right direction, and congrats on pinning down the cause. It was an unusual problem and I've made note of it for future reference. Thanks for reporting back. (So few bother.)

 

-Dubious-

Edited May 10, 2016 by dubiousintent