confirmed source of crash but unable to determine which mod causes it

[barryco]

And I can't use FormID Finder because it'll crash before I'm able to.

 

I recenly posted this random crash issue here:

http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/405107-should-i-worry-this-or-is-this-one-of-the-flaws-of-oblivion/

 

upon following the suggestions, the random crash still occurs. I then finally reinstalled from the start (Vanilla, then heavy modding through OBMM)

the random exterior crash still occurs. I say it's random because there is no specific coordinates in the exterior that this crash occur, so my theory was that the crash is triggered by random spawn at specific spawn points.

 

finally i was able to save seconds before my game crashes (this is only coincidental since i can't expect where/when to crash).

upon reloading the save game, the game crashes imediately, but before the crash, i notice an NPC casting a spell on himself twice (the spell has pinkish effect), the second cast always triggers the crash. I confirmed this through several loading of the same save game and the save game caught the casting animation, so the casting of spell always occur and crashes at the second cast.

 

another confirmation is through the testing hall. I entered the container testing room, and upon entering the room, an NPC cast the same spell (same effect, pinkish) also twice, and the second cast crashes the game. i tried to repeat entering the testinghall and entering the same room. but the spawns also change, but when I manage to catch the same NPC casting the spell, the game again crashes at the second cast.

 

so i'm sure this is the culprit, but how on earth do i know which mod causes it? there are many possibilities, it can be the spell, the script of the NPC, the shaders conflicting, spell settings on wrye bash, i don't know which to test.

 

here's my load order so you have an idea of what mods i use

 

please help me track it. thanks!

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00 Oblivion.esm

01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3.1]

02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]

04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]

05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]

06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

07 VASE - core.esm

08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]

09 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]

0A Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]

0B Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.9.5]

0C Progress.esm [Version 2.2]

** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]

** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]

0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.6]

0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp

0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

10 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.30]

++ Shivering OOO.esp

** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp

** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp

** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp

11 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]

12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

14 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp

++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

17 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

18 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp

19 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

1A All Natural.esp [Version 1.3.1]

1B All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3]

++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]

1C Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]

1D PTAutumnTrees.esp

1E Realistic Water.esp

1F MIS Low Wind.esp

20 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

21 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp

22 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]

23 WindowLightingSystem.esp

24 AliveWaters.esp

25 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

26 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

27 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp

28 Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp

29 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp

2A ES4_Alchemists Reference.esp

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]

2B Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.2.2]

2C Get Wet - just droplets.esp

2D Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]

2E P1DmenuEscape.esp

2F Streamline 3.1.esp

30 Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.2]

31 DLCHorseArmor.esp

32 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]

33 SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.11]

34 DLCOrrery.esp

35 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

** DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp

36 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.11]

37 DLCVileLair.esp

38 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

++ SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp [Version 1.21]

39 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

3A DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

** DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp

3B SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.30]

3C DLCSpellTomes.esp

++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

++ Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp

3D Slof's Gentlemen's Wear.esp

3E Slof's Even More Male Things.esp

3F Robert SinfulMage.esp

40 XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp

41 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp

42 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]

43 DLCThievesDen.esp

44 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

** DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp

45 SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp [Version 1.30]

46 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp

47 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]

48 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

49 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

4A FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

4B Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp

++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]

4C Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09]

4D FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB5]

4E Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]

++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]

++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp [Version 0.5]

** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp

** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0]

++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]

4F ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]

50 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]

51 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]

52 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

53 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]

54 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]

55 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

56 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

57 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

58 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

59 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

5A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]

++ VASE - Vanilla SI.esp

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]

** FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]

++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]

5B KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp [Version 1.2]

5C Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO.esp

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]

5D Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp

5E Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]

++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]

5F Clamshell_Cottage_v1.5_COBL.esp

60 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]

61 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

62 24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp

63 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

64 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

65 SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp [Version 1.30]

66 DLCFrostcrag.esp

67 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

68 SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp [Version 1.2]

** DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp

69 Knights.esp

** Knights Vwalk.esp

** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]

** DLC_MOBS.esp

6A The Lost Spires.esp

** The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp

++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

6B xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]

6C LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

6D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]

6E xulTheHeath.esp

6F MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp

70 XulEntiusGorge.esp

71 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]

72 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]

73 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]

74 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]

** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp

75 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]

76 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]

** xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp

77 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]

78 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]

79 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]

7A xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]

7B xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]

7C xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

7D xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]

** xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp

7E MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp

7F xulPantherRiver.esp

80 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]

81 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]

** xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp

82 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]

** xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp

83 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]

84 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]

85 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]

** xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp

86 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]

** xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp

87 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]

88 OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp

89 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

** xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp

8A Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]

8B Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]

8C Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

8D EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

8E Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

8F P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

++ Short Grass V3.esp

90 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]

91 ATakesAll.esp

92 Quest Award Leveller.esp

++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp

++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp

++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp

++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp

93 RealisticForceMedium.esp

94 RealisticMagicForceLow.esp

95 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]

** bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp

++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]

96 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]

97 MidasSpells.esp

98 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp

99 ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 2.0]

9A ProgressRacial.esp

9B ProgressArmorer.esp [Version 1.0]

++ OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33]

9C RealisticLeveling.esp

++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]

++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.78]

++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.78]

++ AMB.esp

9D Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]

++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

9E SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b]

9F SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90]

A0 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.90]

++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]

++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]

A1 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.9.5]

A2 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.9.5]

A3 Better Cities - All Natural.esp [Version 4.9.5]

** Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp

A4 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.7.0]

A5 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.7.0]

A6 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.7.0]

A7 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.7.0]

** Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp

A8 Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp [Version 4.9.5]

A9 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]

AA Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]

** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]

++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]

AB bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

** FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]

** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]

AC Bashed Patch, 0.esp

AD FormID Finder4.esp

 

 

[MarkInMKUK]

I guess the obvious thing to do is to disable all the .esps with "magic" in the name, rebuild the bashed patch, and load the suspect save.

 

The fact it's a double cast of the same spell almost makes it look like you have two mods trying to do the same thing magic-wise, but I can't identify any on the list from a (admittedly brief) look.

[evenstargw]

Looks like several magic overhauls combined with a complex installation :) Maybe try disbaling SupremeMagicka or (I think) LAME. I haven't used the latter myself but I think that's the bgmagic files, right? I think those might overlap. If the problem is in there, you may even be able to tweak one of them to stay off the suspect spell.