Akrid Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Ok well aside from all disagrements I belive I was Off Topic. What we are discussing is the fear of death in the sense of being dead and not existing, not fearing death as it arrives to us, though I was thrown off by Shakkara's not being afraid at the moment of possible death. Now I think I understand, I failed to see his motive. There was no reason to fear death and he understood that that fear could work aganst him. I was assuming he should have reacted the way I did in my circumstance but the logic wouldn't apply there the same. Now I am reminded of when on my ship I slipped cutting a box open and the knife slit my wrist open. I'm always accidently cutting myself as my job(s) has many hazzards. The wound was not large but it was deep and I severed some vains, I was loosing blood like crazy and felt light headed almost instantly. I wraped a cloth around my wrist and held it tightly over the wound to stop the bleeding then made my way to medical. I was able to be stiched up and there where surgents avaliable so I was fixed up and made a full recovery with no loss to my hands ability. There are some that if in my situation whould have freaked out (many did just seeing all the blood) but I wasn't afraid, I was a little zoned out, and I'm sure there was those chemicals reacting but it seams fear of death wasn't a factor, though I could have died if I lost enuff blood (I was soaked in blood, and the place I was working was too) I guess it depends on the situation, if there is a chance to live and you don't care your primitve mind (and we all have one) will take control maybe using fear as a motive. The type of fear is irelevant, it might not be fear of death, maybe it will be fear of rabid dog, or on-coming car. As for fear of the state of being dead, most people don't think of that or don't want to. Mainly only a athiest would fear death that way, but that requires you to ask a question "what then" I'm just dead?" before you can fear it you must think about it, and to think about it is un-animal. *I'm not army, I suffer a fate much worse, navy. My combat run-in's are along side the marines though not much diffrence there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmac Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 People may not fear death now, but, without their consent or not, they do. It is hardwired into the primitave brain at birth a tendency toward longevity and perfection. Wether you like it or not, your body will run if your primitave brain deems the threat to be a possibly death-inducing sequence for you.If you have read our other posts you would have seen that we already have been in life-threatening situations, yet felt nothing. Allow me to clarify. Many people have been in life-threatening situations- driving a car can be life threatening, simply by pushing the wheel too hard. I mean a scenario in which you have the open choice of running, dying, or fighting. If you primative brain deems the threat to be too hazardous, you will recieve stimulations to preserve yourself. This is not directly communicated to you- electrical impluses will stimulate certain muscles, and add adrenaline into the bloodstream to increase respiration and circulation, but you do not recieve a PM from your brain saying, "I think you should run now." You many not 'feel anything,' because you do not have an open access to levels of processing that deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elna Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 having no fear of death and suicidal thoughts are completely different. I fear death to the point where i cant think about it or i bawl like a baby! :wacko: And yet, just over a year ago i took an overdose and waited to die. Luckily, my mum caught me and took me to hospitel... I personally fear death because of the pain it will cause those who love me. Being an atheist, I think once Im gone, Im gone and that in itself is fine, except that I will never be able to be with those I care for again once it happens :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Sibling Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 No-one can quantify what death entails. Thuis, how can we say if we fear it or not? How do you know you can have emotions in a state of total brain death? It is impossible to understand in this current mental state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohGr Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 the thing is, some people fear and some dont, i myself have seen 2 car accidents, the first time was horrific, because i saw the driver fly out the front like superman, and the second time was just, "oh sh*t, not again", although, a good example of fearing death is in war, world war 1 and 2 were horrific times for normal people, forced out into war, risking their lives for their country, now, if you look at the normandy invasion in world war 2, im sure the infamous omaha beach recreation in saving private ryan (also made into medal of honor: allied assault) shows pretty much what that moment was like, everyone was scared, no one wanted to die, and they ended up fighting for their lives, of course, it was a tragic and a major loss, but look at the people the americans/british/french/polish (and the rest) were fighting, they all got slaughtered as well, and that was a terrible look at death as we all know it, but as i said, war is the best example for a fear of death, i believe there is a word for it, (a phobia, if you will) but when your hiding in a mud filled trench, with a gun you are inexperienced with, and you would have the constant thought running through your mind "im gonna die, im gonna fu*king die!" and you would either go insane, or die, or any of the other possible solutions.a nother way is after the Hiroshima bombing, my grandfather who was a high ranking soldier of the army reserve, had to go up there after the bombing and clean up, he saw many tragic things, clothes melted onto the common people, limbs just "hanging around" and various other things, he ended up coming back home, had cancer, a month before his death in hospital he was going blind, then he went deaf (all this is from my mother), then...he died, but at the moment, he had enough of life even before he turned 40, when he died, he was late 30's, and my mum was 15 at his death, so not all people fear death, some do, but not all. the following things are a test...testtest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrid Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 If he's a member of project Apex then he must be right! So, so am I! Trust us fear of death means somany things. So some of you mean to say even at night in the dark you don't get scared like a freak is in your room waiting for you to fall asleep so he can gut you? Because that would be fear of death in a way. What about when you where little kids? I fear death somtimes and somtimes I don't when maybe others would, It probaly just has to do with your way of reacting to things. I 'm sure though that there must be a way for you to fear death, try some things out, there's running across a busy highway, russian roulette with a revolver, stay under water too long etc. Don't blame me if you get hurt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelfric Fey Necurat Posted December 28, 2003 Share Posted December 28, 2003 Nol all people fear death, I think that there is another life when this life is ended. One created by our dreams and wishes. It's as if we are imported into a world of our own where our very thoughts, dreams wishes, hopes, ect. alter the nothingness of space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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