Knowledge.

[marharth]

There are many examples that I could give you Marharth of the difference between book learning and experience. One in particular, would be that of childbirth. No amount of study will teach one how to go about giving birth. Only the experience can do that. Fortunately for you, this is an experience that you cannot and will not ever have. There is no logic involved here, this is just plain fact. The wisdom comes from the experience.

I understand the difference, and I accept that experience is sometimes necessary.

 

In most cases it seems you can do something just with knowledge though. For childbirth, I see that as something that would require experience but would help to have knowledge.

 

In most cases I see experience as helping knowledge, not knowledge helping experience.

[Kuraikiba]

What good is wisdom if you cannot logically apply it? What good is logic if you don't have the wisdom to understand it?

Think of life as a building. Knowledge is knowing the building. Logic is knowing how to navigate the building. Wisdom is knowing what to expect of the building.

 

Knowledge without wisdom is folly

Knowledge without logic is fallacy

Wisdom without knowledge is stupidity

Wisdom without logic is knowledge

Logic without knowledge is nothing

Logic without wisdom is cynicism

 

Devoid of one, all three collapse. Know the building, yes. But without logic, you are lost. But without wisdom, you will be ensnared.

[SilverDNA]

@marharth ... and maybe some others posters here...

 

"Eventus stultorum magister est"

"The event is the master of fools."

Livius

 

You might as well consider your relative youth, because all that have posted here are considerable older than you ...

 

"Ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret"

"Shoemaker should not judge above the sandal"

Pliny the Elder

 

A young man should know when it is better to be silent and let the elder ones talk while he listens. That would be considered wise!

 

"Damnant quod non intellegunt"

They pass judgement on what they do not comprehend.

Cicero

 

The experience teaches things beyond school wisdom.

 

Experientia docet

Experience teaches.

Tacitus

 

But you might refer to some other quotes since you will ignore the best advices...

 

The more pity that fools may not speak wisely what wise men do foolishly.

Touchstone

As You Like It

William Shakespeare

 

Shakespeare can be said that has never turned a man so little knowledge in so much wisdom.

Thomas Stearns Eliot

 

Wisdom is not communicable. Wisdom, which tries to tell a wise always sounds like foolishness.

Siddhartha, Govinda

Hermann Hesse

 

"Sapere aude!"

"Dare to be wise!"

Horaz

Edited August 3, 2011 by SilverDNA

[marharth]

@marharth ... and maybe some others posters here...

 

"Eventus stultorum magister est"

"The event is the master of fools."

Livius

 

You might as well consider your relative youth, because all that have posted here are considerable older than you ...

 

"Ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret"

"Shoemaker should not judge above the sandal"

Pliny the Elder

 

A young man should know when it is better to be silent and let the elder ones talk while he listens. That would be considered wise!

 

"Damnant quod non intellegunt"

They pass judgement on what they do not comprehend.

Cicero

 

The experience teaches things beyond school wisdom.

 

Experientia docet

Experience teaches.

Tacitus

 

But you might refer to some other quotes since you will ignore the best advices...

 

The more pity that fools may not speak wisely what wise men do foolishly.

Touchstone

As You Like It

William Shakespeare

 

Shakespeare can be said that has never turned a man so little knowledge in so much wisdom.

Thomas Stearns Eliot

 

Wisdom is not communicable. Wisdom, which tries to tell a wise always sounds like foolishness.

Siddhartha, Govinda

Hermann Hesse

 

"Sapere aude!"

"Dare to be wise!"

Horaz

Just because someone is older does not mean they are instantly correct.

 

Your asking me to change my views without any evidence or without a good argument, that is quite foolish.

 

You didn't even make a argument here, you simply gave me a a lot of quotes and told me to accept what people are older then me say.

 

@Kuraikiba That is a fair argument. I will retract my statement.

Edited August 3, 2011 by marharth

[SilverDNA]

@marharth ... and maybe some others posters here...

 

"Eventus stultorum magister est"

"The event is the master of fools."

Livius

 

You might as well consider your relative youth, because all that have posted here are considerable older than you ...

 

"Ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret"

"Shoemaker should not judge above the sandal"

Pliny the Elder

 

A young man should know when it is better to be silent and let the elder ones talk while he listens. That would be considered wise!

 

"Damnant quod non intellegunt"

They pass judgement on what they do not comprehend.

Cicero

 

The experience teaches things beyond school wisdom.

 

Experientia docet

Experience teaches.

Tacitus

 

But you might refer to some other quotes since you will ignore the best advices...

 

The more pity that fools may not speak wisely what wise men do foolishly.

Touchstone

As You Like It

William Shakespeare

 

Shakespeare can be said that has never turned a man so little knowledge in so much wisdom.

Thomas Stearns Eliot

 

Wisdom is not communicable. Wisdom, which tries to tell a wise always sounds like foolishness.

Siddhartha, Govinda

Hermann Hesse

 

"Sapere aude!"

"Dare to be wise!"

Horaz

Just because someone is older does not mean they are instantly correct.

 

Your asking me to change my views without any evidence or without a good argument, that is quite foolish.

 

You didn't even make a argument here, you simply gave me a a lot of quotes and told me to accept what people are older then me say.

 

Thanks marharth you just proved me right about something ...

"It takes decades to make a wise man, but only seconds to make a fool out of someone!"

Thinking is an art that has to be learned by experience not by books or teachings....

Since you didn't read very well (I have the notion you got bored) the last was the most important in a row of good advices to you.

 

"Sapere aude!"

"Dare to be wise!"

Horaz

To self:

"Seams like I was feeding the crows!"

[draconix]

@ Kuraikiba

Your definitions sound like they hold true.

 

@ Silver

You're just saying quotes, they have no meaning in this context. Are you trollin'?

[Kuraikiba]

Perhaps, Silver, you should realize these things, as you are so quick to use the quotes of great people as crutches:

 

1.) The wise man holds his tongue, but the fool is quick to squabble. So a fool you be, judging one as a fool for but a few lines of words!

2.) Do not point out the speck in your brother's eye, despite the plank in your own! Hypocrisy, it is, that you call out a man for what you believe is weak words, when you put forth naught but quotes as an argument. For those great men made those quotes from the wisdom they had, but you relied on calling out names verbosely without showing the wisdom of your own words!

3.) Better is a shack on a rock than a castle in sand. Despite the flashy nature of your post, it had not meaning, purpose, or foundation. It is better to say but a few hushed words of wisdom than a thousand mighty roars in the name of folly! How quickly a castle may fall if it rests on naught but sand and mud!

 

He was not wrong, marharth, in stating you put forth no argument. You placed a great many quotes as nothing more than flashy filler for a vapid post. And if you are so willing to contest MY investment, my seriousness in this argument, let this be something to prove you wrong: Etymology of Thought by Kuraikiba

 

One could be taught by all things, yet without sense to their words know none! Humble thy heart, and hold thy tongue, for if nothing but venom and fire seep from thy lips, the shiniest stones and fanciest silks you adorn thyself with are naught but hideous ash and dust before powerful words of meaning, truth, valour, honour, love, kindness, and purpose! See the folly of hollow, wooden words, for a single wise man in tattered robes of sackcloth is better that a thousand fool of satin, velvet, and silk!

Edited August 4, 2011 by Kuraikiba

[grannywils]

In an attempt to respond to the OP and at the same time to listen to other posters, I find myself at something of a loss with respect to how I should respond to this thread.

 

However, since Marharth has posed so many questions and at the same time attempted to answer them in his posts, I think I will have a go at setting a few things straight regarding Wisdom, Intelligence, Logic, Experience and Education.

 

They are certainly not all one and the same. They do not all serve the same function. They are not interchangeable, and all are necessary in different circumstances.

 

Kuraikiba has shown us a nice example of the use of intelligence (i.e. the capacity for learning, reasoning and understanding, and an aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts and meanings). He has shown us the relationship between knowledge, wisdom and logic in his post.

 

Thus far, my experience (i.e. the process of personally observing something) with Marharth, for example, has been that he will state a fact, and/or an opinion, but rarely does he give much back up. This has made it extremely difficult for me to follow his logic (i.e. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference) or in many cases even this train of thought.

 

So, when the OP poses his questions, I am totally lost. I feel humbled by the experience and intelligence I see expressed on these threads. But there are times when I am so totally confused by others that I just choose to leave the thread entirely.

[SilverDNA]

@ Kuraikiba

Your definitions sound like they hold true.

 

@ Silver

You're just saying quotes, they have no meaning in this context. Are you trollin'?

 

Nope I just proved there is a difference to knowledge and wisdom the exemplary way!

 

Perhaps, Silver, you should realize these things, as you are so quick to use the quotes of great people as crutches:

 

1.) The wise man holds his tongue, but the fool is quick to squabble. So a fool you be, judging one as a fool for but a few lines of words!

2.) Do not point out the speck in your brother's eye, despite the plank in your own! Hypocrisy, it is, that you call out a man for what you believe is weak words, when you put forth naught but quotes as an argument. For those great men made those quotes from the wisdom they had, but you relied on calling out names verbosely without showing the wisdom of your own words!

 

He was not wrong, in stating you put forth no argument. You placed a great many quotes as nothing more than flashy filler for a vapid post. And if you are so willing to contest MY investment, my seriousness in this argument, let this be something to prove you wrong: Etymology of Thought by Kuraikiba

 

One could be taught by all things, yet without sense to their words know none!

 

I find your post quite flammable ... might want to consider some things ?

If you cant understand an example that was made here that experience and wisdom comes from out of age and doing rather of studding and reading then i cant help you because it is a classical example because it tough everyone here that there are things tha you can learn and from people that are more experienced. (In my opinion some youths lack the knwollege of wisdom of listening to others that want them to improve and rather make their own experiences the hard way)

Sometimes you need an good example t prove your point and i made mine quite clear that wisdom and knowledge cant be used well without experience with results in more wisdom and experience by example. I'm sorry that you cant understand this.

[Kuraikiba]

As I gave quotes I backed them up.

 

Now, about marharth. While not always backing up the arguments presented, he was undoubtedly right in showing the emptiness of the quote wall of Silver. I would have held my tongue, but after seeing the reciprocation of Silver, in which he called marharth a fool, I had to chide such an action. He claimed to speak in wisdom, merely to hide forked tongue and fang. As such, a wolf masquerading as a lamb.

 

Now, to the actual topic.

 

Experience is the result of how wisdom uses logic to process the events one has been subject to. Experience is glitter and sparkles devoid of the logic to understand it, and the wisdom to see what it meant.

 

One must master thought.

One must tame emotions.

One must control tongue.

One must explore logic.

One must seek knowledge.

 

What is a master of thought, prone to emotion bursting like old wineskins with new wine? What is a tame master of thought, if they squabble as if a fool? What is a tame, wise master of thought if they squander the experience given through foolish action? What is a tame, wise, logical master of thought if he knows nothing beyond the nose on his face?

 

If a person has but a lone part of the mind that they neglect, the mind as a whole may as well be thrown to flame and fire! What worth is a mural grand, if but a stroke was not made? One is never given half a mind, so one might as well use all the mind! How can we be given a mind, yet not even attempt to use it all? A thing unthinkable, I say!

 

Edit: Btw, Silver, according to your post, I'm stupid, since I'm young. Paint your flaming in what way you see fit, but when you play with fire, you will learn what it is like to feel the flame. I say that from first hand experience.

Edited August 4, 2011 by Kuraikiba