Please tell me it isn't just me..

[arcturus62]

Hello !

 

Today, for the first time, I took a look to Image Share section, just to view some nice Oblivion sightseeing or fighting scenes, but I was little-bored / very-bored / irritated when I saw that 90% of the images are related to women in sexy clothing and poses.

 

I do not have anything against them, but I think it was what meatball was meaning in her first post.

 

Is it an RPG or an adult game ? Just looking at Image Share, I would say the 2nd one. I closed the I.S. and I think I will not check it any more, since I already collect Penthouse ! :D (J/K)

Yes I can see what you mean and I am one of the ones guilty of a lot of those pics showing sexy women & poses but just take a look at the number of views those images get compared to fight scenes and such. It's most of the time 4 to 1 or more. After putting in images I thought were cool and seeing other images by people that were not sex oriented and looking that they got 20 views next to a naked one with 300 views it almost makes you want to create those sexy pics so that you will get those views. It becomes addicting after a while and it makes you feel good to have so many people looking at your images. I personally prefer the fighting ones to the sexy pics but after you spend all this time trying to set up a shot and then you put it in and no one seems to care much it makes you start thinking of the next "sexy shot you can come up with.

I'd be tempted to think the image upload is really just a waste of site space. It was a good idea when it started, but now it's really not too far from pixel porn. The use of the feature is all but removed with all those meaningless shots of this woman or that woman with exnems body and such and such armor. I could maybe see it if people were showing off their own clothing or body mods, but it isn't, even the faces (what you can see) don't speak much about variety or purpose.

I agree with this statement up to a point but i personally get a lot of requests for what mod was used for this pic or what armor was used and I always give reply so in a way image share does promote mods in an indirect way by showing off a lot of good mods people have worked hard on. But yes their is way too much sexy in most pics and I personally am going to try and refrain from putting more of the same in from now on. But point in case it seems in image share thats what most people want to see as evidenced by the veiw counts so it may seem like we are in the minority. Jumonjis idea I thimk is good then maybe some of the great pics would get the recognition they deserve and people would not be " bored or irritated" because those people would not be forced to look at it and those that want to see it could. But I would still bet the "sexy" category would far outstrip the regulars for veiws.

[dangle]

it would suck a bit that people can't just stumble over the best files unless they are looking for something similar, but i think that that wouldn't outweigh the bonuses of a categorised image share section. Just my two cents; given the exchange rate and interest...you all owe me 47 dollars

[GenghisKhanIT]

Just my two cents; given the exchange rate and interest...you all owe me 47 dollars

 

How much is my part ? My bank account isn't THAT healthy ! :D

[Blackguard666]

It's not ucommon to see this brought up in most RPG forums. I also play WoW ( until my account got hacked, that's part of the net, I guess ), and people brought up an issue on the WoW armor/clothing for females and how it was revealing, etc. On that forum for WoW my simple input was that female players should have a choice if they want the revealing or not, just trying to compromise.

 

However, Oblivion is not a MMO and can be modded from the player's own system. But then again, dignity comes from the inside, IMO. And in my religion, sexual freedoms/lust and fantasy is not frowned upon being human nature. This is a fantasy setting, so do with it what you wish.

[dangle]

In my religion it does tend to be, but i disagree with them (to an extent).

 

I think you are pretty much spot on with your comment about where dignity comes from.

[Balagor]

Being a male 52 years of age i must say i both agree and disagree. Sexy look has always been mens eyecandy. True, you can not fight in a bikini. True, they did not have pink underwear in the middleage.

I also avoid those mods. But i don´t have anything against nudity, since they must have had sex in the middleage, otherwise we would not be here. I like realistic games, of course with some fantasy included. So why not be able to have a wife, queen, princess waiting for you at home. Except for Jeanne d`Darc, no women were fighting in the middleage. (and she probably also got naked sometimes)

Being from Denmark (and an old hippie), i have no problems with nudity. And here comes the point where i probably insult a lot of people: In US, where Oblivion was created, and other very christian countries, nudity is forbidden. They think the body is sinfull.

Young people are not allowed to se nudity, not even in games.

That is what makes it more interresting to create nudity in cyberspace. Let go the the moral and old fashion thinking, and look at the world, the body, everything as it is.

By the way, we men are also subject to be exposed as "eyecandy" in various magazines, cartoones, posters, etc. with big shoulders, muscles, nice jaw. That is how we are supposed to look. But that is not true either. They only exists in work out centers.

Balagor The Nord

[dangle]

Let go the the moral and old fashion thinking, and look at the world, the body, everything as it is.

 

Old fashioned behaviour need not be adhered to, unless it is traditional; and even then, that doesn't necessarily make it 'right'.

 

But Moral behaviour should be followed if you think it is right (that's the point). The key word here being "You". Make your own mind up. Dont just blindly follow what your mentors have said. Maybe they are perfectly right, and good on them, but decide for yourself.

 

Having said that kiddies, that isn't an invitation to rebel all of a sudden just for the sake of it :)

[Blackguard666]

True, you can not fight in a bikini. True, they did not have pink underwear in the middleage.

 

I must correct you here, and sorry to get off topic for just a moment:

 

The nobles only had the right to wear the colors of purple, red, pink, blue, and yellows. The serfs ( commoners ) were only allowed to wear brown, grey, black, and natural tones of the leather or fibers. And the nobles rarely did any fighting as they had a military to do it.

[xenxander]

I've asked first if I may post a new comment here that had meaning, so I am not guilty of thread necromancy here, and I do feel this thread is addressing something important.

 

When I first saw this thread I thought it would refer to how the game has a sever lack of attractive NPCs (which I agree with) though while reading through the pages of posts I see it’s taken a different approach.

The more I see mods enhancing armor / clothing, the more it’s apparent that the majority exist solely for female characters. And when they are merely for the PC rather than changing NPC apparel, it’s nearly a waste. Walking in 3rd person with the camera panned to view your character from all angles removes being able to see where you’re going, as you can only ‘bee line’ when doing that, or simply stand still.

 

And it’s rather ridiculous that skimpy apparel created has equivalent armor values to that of glass. When the shadow armor first came out, I commented and asked why the male suit was a full suit but the female suit had an ‘open back’. That comment was never responded to.

 

I admit that I enjoy looking at the female body much more than the male body, and with the large majority of game modders being male, this sentiment is shared, on the whole, universally. I wouldn’t be against seeing armor or clothing designed to express the male body, but female modders are ‘the diamonds in the rough’ if you will.

 

And it isn’t just men who like seeing the opposite sex scantly clothed or representing that ‘perfect’ figure. I’ve asked my mother, sister, aunt, and cousins in serious conversation and all admit they love seeing that ‘chiseled’ look in men – broad muscular chest, firm jaw; much more than the average 40yr old pot-bellied, hairy bodied, slumpy shouldered ‘common joe’.

Figuring this into the equation, I think if more ‘male’ body and clothing mods existed, there’d be less attention drawn to the ‘female’ mods.

 

But it's true, searching for the 'top 10' or 'top 100', you'll have a list cluttered with mods that are doing nothing but introducing 'better bodies', and 'better clothing' to go with those bods. To me, top mods are those that enchance game mechanics or aesthetics (like 'clocks of cyrodiil or GI's interface)

 

On a side note, I am kinda sick how some morbidly obese people are trying to convince others that their body shape is right and natural. I would like to believe that that is not where this argument is headed since they are just as deeply unhealthy as those emaciated corpses you see on TV. They are both extremes, and are both wrong. People are not supposed to look like that, it is not beautiful, stop kidding youself, making excuses, and trying to convince others that you're happy.

You have a very valid point Vagrant0. Obesity and anorexia are both unhealthy conditions. There is an ideal height / body fat % ratio and one should always try and be near or within those bounds. The ‘beauty lies within’ is only valid up to a point. Any other species usually ‘rejects’ those that are unhealthy so humans should be no different. I see them as ‘unhealthy’ and as such, ‘unattractive’.

 

Jumonji, your point about the “mall girls” is spot on. I get annoyed when I see the teenage girls / young women in shopping malls, with the tightest, shortest skirt and top they can possibly get into. Visually, you’re only three inches from <meow> but they get uppity and offended if a man looks over her body. This sad, sorry, attention-seeking behavior by attention deprived females is very prevalent. I admit to wanting to look good from time to time, as most of us do – looking good makes you feel good but not in this extreme.

 

Today, for the first time, I took a look to Image Share section, just to view some nice Oblivion sightseeing or fighting scenes, but I was little-bored / very-bored / irritated when I saw that 90% of the images are related to women in sexy clothing and poses.

 

I do not have anything against them, but I think it was what meatball was meaning in her first post.

I'd be tempted to think the image upload is really just a waste of site space. It was a good idea when it started, but now it's really not too far from pixel porn. The use of the feature is all but removed with all those meaningless shots of this woman or that woman with exnems body and such and such armor. I could maybe see it if people were showing off their own clothing or body mods, but it isn't, even the faces (what you can see) don't speak much about variety or purpose.

Well said, GenghisKhanIT and Vagrant0. I’ve browsed hundreds of photos on the image sharing thread, and by and large, it’s merely someone posting another sexy woman in the latest “exnems” outfit (or whichever body mod they are using). I have rated many of these, but to be fair I’m rating based on texture, quality, theme, positioning, and appearance. Yet it’s getting old when I see “just another sexy woman” in the pictures.

I wonder if the forum can issue a proclamation that on “x” day in an upcoming month, the photo sharing thread will be reserved for those wishing to simply post pictures concerning a mod they have in the works and wish criticism on. I don’t think we, as the forum goers, would shed too many tears if we can’t post “another nudie”.

[HellKnightX88]

Well, I respect your opinions but I consider it a way of improving the game from an aesthetic point of view. I use both Exnem's and Robert's in my game simply because I prefer them over the vanilla body. I'm a member at the EyeCandy (AKA Exnem) forums and I don't really stick around there to see digital nudity, I just help people there with their problems and help keep the forum a fun place for most members (and fill topics with off-topic chat but that's another story xD). It's a matter of personal preference whatever you use body replacers (and armor for said replacers) or not; nobody's forcing you to use them...