Alduin *Potential Spoiler* But pure speculation

[crippledorphan]

Maybe akatosh has a split personality after he was abducted by aliens to be tested on then a centurion came back in time from the future and spiked akatosh's drink with a madding poison to make him go crazy hince alduin is a BAMF who is mad at the whole world be cause he feels violated psh criminal scum Edited October 17, 2011 by crippledorphan

[Jhawl]

If alduin and Akatosh are the same, then why is one generally perceived as good and the other evil?

I could beat my head into a wall trying to explain this to people, so I'll just link UESP and be done with it. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akatosh

 

Akatosh (Auri-El to the Aldmer[1] and Alduin to the Nords[2])

 

Maybe if people just cared to look into the lore instead of just making s*** up and then asking me why they can't be right this dreadful conversation would never have happened.

[Ankleon]

If alduin and Akatosh are the same, then why is one generally perceived as good and the other evil?

I could beat my head into a wall trying to explain this to people, so I'll just link UESP and be done with it. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akatosh

 

Akatosh (Auri-El to the Aldmer[1] and Alduin to the Nords[2])

 

Maybe if people just cared to look into the lore instead of just making s*** up and then asking me why they can't be right this dreadful conversation would never have happened.

 

You didn't answer his question you dimwit. In that article it DOES NOT state why Alduin is mostly perceived as evil and Akatosh as good. Yes it states they are the same, but not why Nords consider him more evil like. If you're going to make a decisive post then at least to it properly.

 

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alduin

 

"Alduin is considered both the creator and the harbringer of the apocalypse."

"He resembles his counterpart, Akatosh, only superficially." (i.e. he has a darker image)

[Jhawl]

csb, you clicked the [2] at the bottom of the page and read what was there. Sorry for helping you find the answer yourself instead of arguing your fallible nonsense, lala

[Ankleon]

csb, you clicked the [2] at the bottom of the page and read what was there. Sorry for helping you find the answer yourself instead of arguing your fallible nonsense, lala

 

Nope.

 

Also, what fallible nonsense? It's clearly there, I'm still not sure why they're considered the same if the Nordic people consider him more evil). The two articles contradict eachother a bit.

Edited October 18, 2011 by Ankleon

[stars2heaven]

Nothing in the UESP makes the differences in the perceptions between Akatosh and Alduin clear. It only states that there are differences, not why there are differences.

 

Does he only like to play hero for the other races, saving them from doom and destruction, and just show his contemptuous and evil side to the Nords?

[Jhawl]

Nothing in the UESP makes the differences in the perceptions between Akatosh and Alduin clear. It only states that there are differences, not why there are differences.

 

Does he only like to play hero for the other races, saving them from doom and destruction, and just show his contemptuous and evil side to the Nords?

It's not really a difference between Akatosh and Alduin as much as a difference between Auri-El and Alduin. Akatosh is a fictitious merger of two interpretations of the same God (and a third interpretation in his own right). Alessia merged the Nordic and Aldmer pantheons.

 

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessia

 

With the fall of the White Gold Tower in 1E 243, Alessia declared herself the first Empress of the new Cyrodilic empire. One of the first challenges facing the new empire was the establishment of a religion acceptable both to the people of Cyrodiil, accustomed to an Aldmeri-derived pantheon, and to her Nordic allies, who were opposed to any elven deities. As a compromise, she established the Eight Divines, which incorporated elements of both Aldmeri and Nordic religions.[6] This religion continues to be the dominant religion of Cyrodiil although, with the addition of Talos, it is now more commonly known as the Nine Divines.

 

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth

The Dragon God and the Missing God

The Dragon God is always related to Time, and is universally revered as the "First God." He is often called Akatosh, "whose perch from Eternity allowed the day." He is the central God of the Cyrodilic Empire.

The Missing God is always related to the Mortal Plane, and is a key figure in the Human/Aldmeri schism. The 'missing' refers to either his palpable absence from the pantheon (another mental distress that is interpreted a variety of ways), or the removal of his 'divine spark' by the other immortals. He is often called Lorkhan, and his epitaphs are many, equally damnable and devout.

Note that Tamriel and the Mortal Plane do not exist yet. The Gray Maybe is still the playground of the Original Spirits. Some are more bound to Anu's light, others to the unknowable void. Their constant flux and interplay increase their number, and their personalities take long to congeal. When Akatosh forms, Time begins, and it becomes easier for some spirits to realize themselves as beings with a past and a future. The strongest of the recognizable spirits crystallize: Mephala, Arkay, Y'ffre, Magnus, Rupgta, etc., etc. Others remain as concepts, ideas, or emotions. One of the strongest of these, a barely formed urge that the others call Lorkhan, details a plan to create Mundus, the Mortal Plane.

Humans, with the exception of the Redguards, see this act as a divine mercy, an enlightenment whereby lesser creatures can reach immortality. Aldmer, with the exception of the Dark Elves, see this act as a cruel deception, a trick that sundered their connection to the spirit plane.

 

You have to understand that none of the religions take on Akatosh, or whatever you want to call him, is gospel. It`s pretty silly to try to interpret the motives of a God.

[Ankleon]

Nothing in the UESP makes the differences in the perceptions between Akatosh and Alduin clear. It only states that there are differences, not why there are differences.

 

Does he only like to play hero for the other races, saving them from doom and destruction, and just show his contemptuous and evil side to the Nords?

It's not really a difference between Akatosh and Alduin as much as a difference between Auri-El and Alduin. Akatosh is a fictitious merger of two interpretations of the same God (and a third interpretation in his own right). Alessia merged the Nordic and Aldmer pantheons.

 

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Alessia

 

With the fall of the White Gold Tower in 1E 243, Alessia declared herself the first Empress of the new Cyrodilic empire. One of the first challenges facing the new empire was the establishment of a religion acceptable both to the people of Cyrodiil, accustomed to an Aldmeri-derived pantheon, and to her Nordic allies, who were opposed to any elven deities. As a compromise, she established the Eight Divines, which incorporated elements of both Aldmeri and Nordic religions.[6] This religion continues to be the dominant religion of Cyrodiil although, with the addition of Talos, it is now more commonly known as the Nine Divines.

 

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth

The Dragon God and the Missing God

The Dragon God is always related to Time, and is universally revered as the "First God." He is often called Akatosh, "whose perch from Eternity allowed the day." He is the central God of the Cyrodilic Empire.

The Missing God is always related to the Mortal Plane, and is a key figure in the Human/Aldmeri schism. The 'missing' refers to either his palpable absence from the pantheon (another mental distress that is interpreted a variety of ways), or the removal of his 'divine spark' by the other immortals. He is often called Lorkhan, and his epitaphs are many, equally damnable and devout.

Note that Tamriel and the Mortal Plane do not exist yet. The Gray Maybe is still the playground of the Original Spirits. Some are more bound to Anu's light, others to the unknowable void. Their constant flux and interplay increase their number, and their personalities take long to congeal. When Akatosh forms, Time begins, and it becomes easier for some spirits to realize themselves as beings with a past and a future. The strongest of the recognizable spirits crystallize: Mephala, Arkay, Y'ffre, Magnus, Rupgta, etc., etc. Others remain as concepts, ideas, or emotions. One of the strongest of these, a barely formed urge that the others call Lorkhan, details a plan to create Mundus, the Mortal Plane.

Humans, with the exception of the Redguards, see this act as a divine mercy, an enlightenment whereby lesser creatures can reach immortality. Aldmer, with the exception of the Dark Elves, see this act as a cruel deception, a trick that sundered their connection to the spirit plane.

 

You have to understand that none of the religions take on Akatosh, or whatever you want to call him, is gospel. It`s pretty silly to try to interpret the motives of a God.

 

That's better. Kudos for you explaining it.