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[Balakirev]

I think this is a great area of debate for gamers and game programmers alike.

 

Not really. It's only a matter of people stating their opinions. And since debates are only of service when facts are presented that enlighten the landscape, this really doesn't begin to qualify. We've not convinced you, and you haven't convinced us. Which is as it should be, in matters such as these where each person's ideas are as good as another's. :)

[Zapata935]

I doubt that would be worth it, for several reasons.

 

- It would be seen as a weak, mean-spirited money-grubbing attempt by Bethesda to sell their older games

- Most people would just cheat with the console or make a mod

- Owning the CDs doesn't prove anything about what the player did in the games anyway

 

 

I do understand your dispel attitude to my proposals, I would suggest though that as you have itemised your replies, number one, arena and daggerfall will not run on a modern windows based system, also if you have not installed Morrowind, none of these cd's would mean anything other than the skyrim initalisation programme! Number two, do you know the cheat format to Skyrim already? Number Three and most important of all, try going out and buying original discs of the games mentioned and setting your PC to run the games in DOS! There is dos box, but who in their right mind would want to spend 3 months of their life back-tracking just to become an journeyman in Skyrim! Best Wishes Zapata935

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 11:23 PM

 

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When you insert your beautiful new CD of Skyrim and it has installed on your hard drive OK, it asks the question, are you the champion of Cyrodill? etc, Morrowind, Scourge of the Underking? If you can prove this by inserting the said CD's then at least you should start out at least a journeyman!

 

I doubt that would be worth it, for several reasons.

 

- It would be seen as a weak, mean-spirited money-grubbing attempt by Bethesda to sell their older games

- Most people would just cheat with the console or make a mod

- Owning the CDs doesn't prove anything about what the player did in the games anyway

 

 

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but veterans like me start to see it as only an exercise in pumping buttons!

This is a difficult subject for game programmers though! How to balance the new and old gamer into Elder Scrolls.

 

I'm a veteran RPG player and I don't see it that way at all.

 

I do not think you are a veteran RPG player at all for the following reasons.

-You would recognise, it is about pumping buttons, until you know the cheat codes!

-All people will cheat and tell you otherwise!

-Most Important, owning the CD's is everything, you have missed the point, I assure you Daggerfall and Arena will not even register on any modern Windows OS. They were written for DOS. Only an INI Script header would identify their existance. I do not think there are many out there who have done TES 1-4! All I'm asking is a bit of respect for the vets! Journeyman Me!

[Lodur9000]

So you're saying that I'm not a veteran player based solely on the fact that I don't share your opinion on one specific aspect of CPRGs? o_O That's a rather narrow-minded and hasty conclusion to be jumping to, zapata.

 

Gamers have many different motivations and perceptions about gaming. They play for all kinds of different reasons and experience games in different ways. No two are exactly alike and some are very different, polar opposites even. This applies to veterans as much as it does to anyone else. There's absolutely no reason to expect gamers, even veterans, to all share the same opinions. Ironically this is generally a well-known thing among veteran gamers.

 

I've been playing RPGs since the late 80s, way more than is remotely healthy. I'd say that qualifies me as veteran. I like the early stages of a low-level character because I enjoy the struggle of getting by with rough gear and weak stats. I like building a character up from the ground floor. I like the story-building that comes through taking your character through their first levels. I enjoy first reaching level 2 - sure, every level-up is good but that first level-up to level 2 is special. I like seeing monsters or NPCs that massively outlcass me, especially when you encounter hostile ones and have to get the hell out of dodge before you die (or you can try to improvise a glorious victory). It's all a very different experience from mid- and high- level characters. I like being at higher levels but I wouldn't only want to play the game that way. Yes, there are some games where being low-level is kinda boring but that's never been the case for me in any of the TES games. Low levels are interesting for me.

 

But hey, none of the opinions in that paragraph matter right, because a 'real' veteran only sees it as so much empty button-pumping. :rolleyes:

 

 

I'd address what you've said about the CDs if it was coherent but it doesn't seem to be. I have no idea what point you're trying to make, it seems different each time. Forgive me if I'm missing something.