Kragnor Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 You so, the whole blow up about Golden Compass? I watched the sneak peek in theaters, but no God, and certainly no killing of God. The worst thing there was (SPOILER ALERT********************8) was a spiritual tie between a person and a creature called a Daemon. So I guess the whole hub ub was for nothing. Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 The thing is, America is a very Christian country, probably even the most Christian country. A movie that killed God would NOT be very well received. The Catholic League already tried to boycott it anyways. All Hollywood cares about is how much money the movie will make. The only reason they try to make good movies is because movies people like just so happens to directly affect how much money said movie will bring in. Since, as I said, America is very Christian, if the movie had God being killed, the movie would be an instant failure, and no money would be earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 The thing is, America is a very Christian country, probably even the most Christian country. A movie that killed God would NOT be very well received. The Catholic League already tried to boycott it anyways. All Hollywood cares about is how much money the movie will make. The only reason they try to make good movies is because movies people like just so happens to directly affect how much money said movie will bring in. Since, as I said, America is very Christian, if the movie had God being killed, the movie would be an instant failure, and no money would be earned.Not quite. First, the author is a devout athiest, and makes it known that there is an athiest message in his book. Second, the thing the Christians are in arms about is that the villans are being referred to with Christian titles. Third, the message was toned down in the first movie so that it would appeal to a wider audience. The thing that everyone is sturred about is that this is a movie that kids can watch, and watching the movie might lead kids to reading the book (imagine that) with the stronger anti-christian message. The stupidity of it is that all these bible-beating groups are only making that anti-christian message known, so more people will be spending the time durring the movie looking for it. If they had known to shutup, few people would notice, or care. The failing of all religions, and even athiests is that they strpngly condemn anything which shows a side that doesn't match their views of the world, and in doing so, makes people want to see what is being condemned, and why. If instead they focused on instilling their own teachings, instead of attacking those of others, they might have a more devout following because it is not what people are told, but what they believe that matters. As for america being pro-christian. That's a bit exaggerated by the media, or atleast the current media cycle. The news agencies play to whomever they're told are watching, and it's downright silly at times. Be it the excessivly conservative Fox News channel, or MSNBC (atleast twice now) plugging Miller products in an unrelated news brodcast. I'm sorry, when you hear the phrase "It's Miller Time" spoken by one of the main people in a national news broadcast, referring to a good situation, you can't help but wonder "WTH?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisb92 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Actually, I have read the books, Phillip Pullman's Dark Materials, and the God, an angel in this instance, is "killed" in the third book in the trilogy, so it will be in third film, not the first. If anyone sees this as an attack on Christianity, well, I must say that that is not how the books came across, it was a brilliant story, and the addition and discussion of religion, particularly the parallels of Christianity with the story, add to it and create a deeper tale. It is true that there is a deep sentiment against irrationalities in religion, but the story is not an attack upon it. It was a moving trilogy, a work of fiction by an accomplished writer, whether or not people of certain religions agree with it. Personally the reaction that has been described reminds me of the reaction to the naming of a toy bear Mohamed recently, an overreaction that is nothing but irrational. But hey, everyone is welcome to their opinion, this is just mine. Cris. EDIT:I've found the passage in which God, "The Authority" as he is called, meets his end: "Between them they helped the ancient of days out of his crystal cell; it wasn't hard, for he was light as paper, and he would have followed them anywhere, having no will of his own, and responding to simple kindness like a flower to the sun. But in the open air there was nothing to stop the wind from damaging him, and to their dismay his form began to loosen and dissolve. Only a few moments later he had vanished completely, and their last impression was of those eyes, blinking in wonder, and a sigh of the most profound and exhausted relief." So in no sense was the God killed maliciously, this takes place in the third book, as mentioned above, "The Amber Spyglass." The two characters mentioned here are the Adam and Eve characters, Will and Lyra. The one who attempts to destroy the God and heaven, Lord Asriel, is neither of these, they are innocent throughout the trilogy, until the very end, a metaphor for Adam and Eve's time in the Garden of Eden. Hope this clears up the issue, Cris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragnor Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 Thank you all for your help. My question was basically answered. The book does not really kill God. I would advise against any religious discussions and anything about personal belief, however, it would seem that the light religion mentioning we have been engaged in has been used only for the purpose of answering the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoogieMonster Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I love how a country colonized by people who left their home at risk of certain death just to get away from the church, developed into a civilization that prides itself on berating, ridiculing and murdering other peoples for being a different religion. Yet still somehow pretend to be a people of tolerance and taking great offense whenever they even think someone said something bad about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Religious debates are not allowed on this forum after a series of flame wars which got very shrill and silly. People were banned! So far there is nothing to alarm me in this thread but please make sure you all know the rules. From my own reading of the books I think the message is more about what people profess to do in the name of 'Authority' without in fact having such a thing - making it up as they go along to suit their personal agendas. Philip Pullman is an atheist but the message actually stands regardless of whether or not there is a god. That is what worries many Christians; not that it denies the existence of god but that it denies the integrity - indeed the very validity - of those claiming to speak for god. Anyone who is swayed by his views will never take the church seriously again! Strangely the books remind me in part of the Niebelunglied where the Teutonic Gods are destroyed by the (largely) unwitting actions of humanity. And of course something rather similar in ideals underlines The Lord of the Rings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImChance Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 My take:If you want to watch the movie, go ahead and do so.If you don't want to watch the movie, then don't.Simple really.If they "boycott" this movie for "dissing" GOD, then they should also boycott all movies that "praise" GOD.It works both ways, and the people have freedom of choice whether or not to watch the movie.Or at least I think people have the freedom to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 My take:If you want to watch the movie, go ahead and do so.If you don't want to watch the movie, then don't.Simple really.If they "boycott" this movie for "dissing" GOD, then they should also boycott all movies that "praise" GOD.It works both ways, and the people have freedom of choice whether or not to watch the movie.Or at least I think people have the freedom to do so.People also have the right of peaceful protest. If they think something is wrong, they can boycott something, and just because they boycott something that is against what they believe in doesn't mean they have to boycott something else that is for what they believe in. That...that doesn't even make sense! "Yeah, The Golden Compass kills God, so we're boycotting Passion of the Christ." What kind of a twisted lunatic would do that!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImChance Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 You missed what I was saying completely. Or maybe I just "said" it wrong.I think it's wrong for the CHURCH to boycott this movie because they don't like what they THINK it teaches people.It's a movie. Simple as that.It's like the church is saying that the only right thing, is GOD.And that's not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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