Jack Thompson and his little crusade.

[Vagrant0]

No, Jack... he's trying to make the government blame gamers, so they don't concentrate as much on hunting down the real terrorists.

Well, he's really wasting his time. The government sponsors violent games, and even uses them as a recruiting tool, and as a means of breaking down the stigma associated with one of the necessities of war, killing people. Videogames have also led to technologies which can be applied to more peaceful persuits, which wouldn't have been developed if there weren't violent games constantly pushing the limits. Forcefeedback was something designed for FPS, but is used within a teaching tool to allow a doctor to have the feeling of performing surgery without actually cutting open a patient.

[Jonlissla]

Videogames have also led to technologies which can be applied to more peaceful persuits, which wouldn't have been developed if there weren't violent games constantly pushing the limits.

 

An example, perhaps?

[ninja_lord666]

Videogames have also led to technologies which can be applied to more peaceful persuits, which wouldn't have been developed if there weren't violent games constantly pushing the limits.

 

An example, perhaps?

He gave an example:

Forcefeedback was something designed for FPS, but is used within a teaching tool to allow a doctor to have the feeling of performing surgery without actually cutting open a patient.

 

Anyone feel the same as Jack, or is everyone against him?

You're asking this on a gaming forum... :rolleyes:

[Vagrant0]

Videogames have also led to technologies which can be applied to more peaceful persuits, which wouldn't have been developed if there weren't violent games constantly pushing the limits.

 

An example, perhaps?

Read your history, Wolfenstien 3d and Doom managed to create fast moving 3d graphics which pushed the capacity of computers at the time. Without these games, and the following they started, computers themselves wouldn't be nearly as powerful as they are now. It's really the gamers who have helped create a market for multi-core processors, high speed videocards, and large data storage. Just about anything that requires a new age processor owes its thanks to gamers creating a market where such a processor could be made and sold. Outside of gaming, there are few reasons why anyone would need a computer as fast as they have... Keep in mind, some of the stuff you considder every day (like 3d or even 2d graphics) wasn't really done on computers until it was applied to games. Computers would really be little more than what their name implies if it wasn't for games to pull it out of the labratory and into homes and bars. The point is that Atari, Apple, IBM, Microsoft wouldn't have been able to survive if there weren't people buying products just to play games. In doing so, these companies were able to constantly build bigger, better computers.

[Sovietlukmanov]

I'd say, he's blind to the facts: If you search for statistics of violence in America and (for example) Canada which countries are by average similar (in gaming, not to mention other media) then see the significance of the difference in the number of violence

 

I mean, sure, for some people, it can effect their way of thinking, but then again, it can't be blamed all to games. Playing games can make someone think even more of life, of becoming even morally better. Games also view scenes which can teach gamers of philosophies which are beyond other sources. Most of the time, rather than reading a book, I play my games, I would prefer to know an idea, a knowledge, etc from a game, rather than reading it from books. Rather than being fed the knowledge through reading, I'd prefer to be involved in the teaching process itself, in games, you participate, and in most RPGs, learn the consequence of your actions.

 

There are games such as "Neverwinter Nights" ever played Neverwinter Nights 2? it provides in depth character development, where you choose the response in every conversations, and each will have it's consequence. You can choose to do bad things, and also learn the consequence. There are games such as that one which for some gamers, can actually make them feel guilty to re-load an earlier save, and try to fix it.

 

Anyways, how is he going to attack "Games" itself? for one, I don't even think he can take on a multi-million (or billion, I forgot) company like xbox...

[Jonlissla]

I don't even think he can take on a multi-million (or billion, I forgot) company like xbox...

 

Just wait till he does something against Blizzard or EA....

.... I don't think his email is safe anymore, neither his computer, considering all the hackers playing WoW.... :biggrin:

[ninja_lord666]

Jack Thomson says that Grand Theft Auto rewards people for killing. I don't know what game he's playing, because every time I go on a killing rampage in GTA, I end up dead. Who knows, though. Maybe Jack Thomson views death as a reward. :unsure:

[Sovietlukmanov]

of course, well, in a few missions in GTA, perhaps it is rewarded for killing someone, but still, it doesn't actually REWARD the player. Though maybe you get money reward after completing a mission, it is most likely you will still be pursued by the police and will have to deal with it.

 

So this certainly goes against his claim, GTA for example, teaches real life consequences:

 

commit crime > wanted > either busted or wasted (or escape sometimes)

 

does it not teach players of reality? if you commit crime, you will be pursued by the authorities, then, you can try to resist and end up dead, and on a few occasions, you may even escape.

 

Just a little life skill, and I say nothing is wrong with that...

[Jonlissla]

So this certainly goes against his claim

 

I don't get it. If 200 000 people says that the game doesn't reward the player for killing cops, why does he keep saying that? He said the same thing about Counter-Strike (oh god, I truly hate that game.... no offense, HL was godlike, but CS is just.... well, meh... :rolleyes: ) He wants everyone to listen him, but he won't listen back. How can you be a politician with that attitude? :blink:

[Vagrant0]

does it not teach players of reality? if you commit crime, you will be pursued by the authorities, then, you can try to resist and end up dead, and on a few occasions, you may even escape.

 

Just a little life skill, and I say nothing is wrong with that...

Except in reality, unless you're a celebrity, you don't escape. You commit a crime, they will lock you away. Simple as that. Your reality argument really isn't strong since in game there really isn't any down side to death or being arrested, you just respawn back in town, able to do whatever you want again. Loss of weapons/money isn't anything when you can get them back. No, to make it more like reality, you would have to set it so that the player has to spend several years+ in jail or haldcuffed to a hospital bed.