Deleted9400600User Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Let me firstly explain what I have done and what I have currently done to solve the issue. I have googled the said issue and I have done the .ini file edits and such and so on. I have used FO4edit to see if any of the mods where conflicting or causing the crash it could find none causing such.I have also tried moving the mods around in a better order using NMM, etc. So far neither has this resolved the issue. So I am really stumped on how to resolve this. None of the mods are causing confliction issue that are causing the crash and Fo4edit can't find anything and I am only using a few mods which I have used before (I did a fresh install of Fallout 4) which were fine beforehand, but not now. So I am confused as to why it isn't working now and I am unable to play. Anyone know what I have possibly done or how to fix it? Edit: I also attempted deleting the .ini files and re-editing them, but I found the root of the crashing. When I add: [Archive] bInvalidateOlderFiles=1 sResourceDataDirsFinal= To the Fallout4Custom.ini it crashes it doesn't crash with them removed, but all the mods load up in the game, but some mods some don't. So I am unsure what the issue is. Since the line above is needed for mods to work, but if I use this the game crashes. So I am stumped to where either it seems like it is impossible to mod Fallout 4 at the moment? As I mention I used Fo4edit and it detected no issues prior. So I am not sure. Edited June 14, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharlikran Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) I have used FO4edit to see if any of the mods where conflicting or causing the crash it could find none causing such.FO4edit won't show you a comparison of mods and tell you if your game will or won't crash. Section 4 of the fallout training manual will explain the difference between conflicts or overrides but that's not going to cause a crash. Have you made a Bethesda.net account and logged into it in game? I'd disable all your mods, make your Bethesda.net account, log in from the in game menu, then quit fallout 4 and start by only enabling a few mods (maybe 5) at a time in NMM. See if a specific mod causes the crash. Edited June 14, 2016 by Sharlikran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted9400600User Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) I have used FO4edit to see if any of the mods where conflicting or causing the crash it could find none causing such.FO4edit won't show you a comparison of mods and tell you if your game will or won't crash. Section 4 of the fallout training manual will explain the difference between conflicts or overrides but that's not going to cause a crash. Have you made a Bethesda.net account and logged into it in game? I'd disable all your mods, make your Bethesda.net account, log in from the in game menu, then quit fallout 4 and start by only enabling a few mods (maybe 5) at a time in NMM. See if a specific mod causes the crash. I have tried what you suggested. I tried certain mods I know wouldn't cause issues and went all the way to no mods at all. Even with no mods the game still crashes. The game plays after removing. [Archive]bInvalidateOlderFiles=1sResourceDataDirsFinal= From the Fallout4Custom.ini all the mods load up fine, but they are just invisible. So the root of the crashing is coming from the required edit in the Fallout4Custom.ini. Fallout 4 did update the other day. Did they make it impossible to mod now? Edited June 14, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharlikran Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) I have done tech support for various companies for about 20 years. I'm under an NDA so I can only say that I have worked for Microsoft because they made it public knowledge. Saying that with no mods loaded you still have a crash is very definitive more or less the end all test. I don't like to ever suggest for people to reinstall a Bethesda game when it crashes because that's not normally the cause. it's normally because of the mods installed. Also don't clean the DLC with FO4Edit if you did that. However, since you did just say that with no mods active you still have a CTD at this point it's kind of useless to keep trying with what you have. You should reinstall or delete most of the files and verify your game cache. I find it better for me to just delete everything but the main files and the DLC. Then the verify routine has less to redownload. Also make sure you are using 1.5.157 or higher and not signed up for any Beta. You are going to verify your cache but do this first. 1. Uninstall all your mods with NMM.2. Test the game does it work? If it crashes then continue to Number 3. If it doesn't crash then then a file you had installed put something in the data folder and it may not have been a plugin that was causing the crash. Install one mod at a time to find out which one caused the issue. I know of mods using meshes from other mods. You have to install the mesh from SomeWeaponWorkbench mod of the game will crash. You aren't using that mod and don't need anything but the mesh. However, because of permissions the author can't include something from another author and tells you to install SomeWeaponWorkbench for the mesh. That is called an implicit dependency. We aren't cleaning mods but implicit dependency is described here. 3. Delete all the folders except the Video folder in the data folder that you find. This includes deleting meshes and textures. If you use the CK it will unpack script source so don't keep scripts. For this step leave the rest of the files.4. Delete all INI files left over from mods that are in your Data folder.5. Leave only the official files such as Fallout4.esm, DLCRobot.esm, DLCworkshop01.esm, DLCCoast.esm and their BA2 files.6. If you see any BSA files delete them because those are for Skyrim and authors should be using the CK to make BA2 files.7. Run the Verify integrity of game cache from Steam.8. Run the Fallout 4 launcher Without installing any mods and without starting with F4SE can you start Fallout 4, make a new game, and get to Sanctuary? Edited June 15, 2016 by Sharlikran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted9400600User Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 Well before you responded. I attempted going back a version for Fallout 4 which a friend suggested. Which did fix the issue where the Fallout4Custom.ini edit was not causing the crashing and 'some' mods worked while others did not for whatever reason. Then after tweaking around trying to get the other mods to work the game started crashing again. Well I tried FO4Edit and it said one of the mods were causing the crash (finally) fixed what was causing it. Booted up FO4Edit again and it didn't find anything, but Fallout 4 was still crashing. So I resorted to reinstalling Fallout 4 at the moment and waiting for it to reinstall, but from the looks of it. I tried this. I did try the same mods that were also offered through the Bethesda Mod site. Which all those worked fine, but any mod I am getting here from Nexus Mods (Using NMM) were not working or half working for whatever reason. I believe the recent update has killed 3rd party modding and my friend is also coming to the same conclusion they had to go back to the previous version of Fallout 4 to get mods to work again their mods were not working in the recent update either. Worse case is I am stuck only using mods from the Bethesda site. I know how to mod I do it all the time with Skyrim and Witcher 3. I didn't expect this much trouble with Fallout 4 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted9400600User Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 Well I tried everything you suggested and a fresh install and doing what was suppose to be done. I even tried with just one mod, but it seems simply the recent update broke the possibility of 3rd party modding. First party mods from the Bethesda site work perfectly fine, but ones here don't. Never have I had such issues like this with Skyrim or Witcher 3 which I have modded so much more than Fallout 4. I guess Bethesda is trying to push out Nexusmods out of it, but Bethesda sure has made it impossible to use mods from NexusMods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderMuffin Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Oh god don't go for the conspiracy theory, this isn't Bethesda making it impossible to use mods from NexusMods. Go through all the stuff you download, specifically read the install instructions and troubleshoot, if none of that works do a complete re-install and re-install all the mods you had before. The most likely thing is it's on your end. I'm running exclusively on mods from the Nexus and I haven't had a problem in weeks and even then it was mod-related. Edited June 15, 2016 by CiderMuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted9400600User Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 Oh god don't go for the conspiracy theory, this isn't Bethesda making it impossible to use mods from NexusMods. Go through all the stuff you download, specifically read the install instructions and troubleshoot, if none of that works do a complete re-install and re-install all the mods you had before. The most likely thing is it's on your end. I'm running exclusively on mods from the Nexus and I haven't had a problem in weeks and even then it was mod-related. Your assumption is amusing, but considering you have unlikely read much of the previous posts. If this was my end at this point I would have figured it out. I have over 80 mods on Skyrim and even took it further than that in the past to over 100 with no issues. I have modded many games before through Nexus with little to no issues. Fallout 4 would be the first. Everything you have suggested I have already done prior and have mention it before this does not work. I can't even use ONE MOD without it causing Fallout 4 to crash for whatever reason. I have fresh installed this game TWICE already. I know how to install mods and follow instructions. None of the mods are conflicting with eachother or should be causing the crash. Here is the interesting part of it though. [Archive]bInvalidateOlderFiles=1sResourceDataDirsFinal= Edit which you must place in the Fallout4Custom.ini (which is shown here: http://wiki.tesnexus.com/index.php/Fallout_4_Mod_Installation ) as I mention previously seems to be the link to the crashing. Some of the mods without this edit does work but it is sorta like 50 / 50. Some mods work and some don't, but the game is detecting all the mods as active. I have them all selected active on my list. So some mods I use work, but some don't, but the interesting part of it all though. Is these mods worked BEFORE the RECENT update for Fallout 4, but not now. My friend also had to revert to a previous version of Fallout 4 to get her mods to work at all as well. I tried though working around it to get the mods to work with the recent update of Fallout 4 which seems to be impossible. So I attempted to use the same mods I had that were already offered through the Bethesda Mod site. They all worked if they came from the mod site, but not the ones that came from NexusMods which I personally find odd. I know I didn't install them incorrectly because I used Nexus Mod Manager to install all these mods. As I mention previously is that they all worked prior to the recent update. So it leaves me to question the recent update. Also why it has broken the use of the Fallout4Custom.ini edit that causes the game to now crash. If you dislike the fact I am having a real issue here that's fine, but I must ask to you politely to now use such a rude tone you are using at the moment because I will not take you seriously if you continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharlikran Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I use about 78 mods and they are all from the nexus so we just have to figure out what's causing this. Well if mods aren't working and you tried some of my suggestions, lets stick with versions. What version of fallout 4 do you actually use, you can see it in the Settings menu. It's best to tell me what it is and not that you reverted. I don't even know how to revert to an old version, how do you even do that? Plus as I mentioned the Fallout4.esm has changed. In fact I have backups it's changes 10 times now. You need to use whatever the latest version is. That's one question unanswered at the moment. In NMM check for updates and if there is one, update NMM please. Whether or not you use LOOT can you please download it? After you update NMM and get me the version number of Fallout 4 get me a screen shot of you sorting with LOOT, just the upper part where it shows Fallout4.esm. I want to double check that it's sorting the Fallout4.esm and the DLC correctly. Please give me a screen shot after you sort when it shows the CRC values also please. Lastly as stated, make sure you have made a Bethesda.net account and went into the game and logged in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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