Falling/"Gravity" Mod Request

[ninja_lord666]

Game modders are the gods of games.

Modders are wannabes. The real "gods of games" are the people who make the games. They program entire games from scratch. Modders just take what is already there and edit it. Modders are not the all powerful people you claim. Some things cannot be done.

 

You are very much a fool for arguing with Vagrant. He know what he's talking about. That's why he's so highly respected on these forums.

[Szayn]

Game modders are the gods of games.

Modders are wannabes. The real "gods of games" are the people who make the games. They program entire games from scratch. Modders just take what is already there and edit it. Modders are not the all powerful people you claim. Some things cannot be done.

 

You are very much a fool for arguing with Vagrant. He know what he's talking about. That's why he's so highly respected on these forums.

 

So what if Vagrant knows what he is talking about? I got him to say what I wanted him to say. Just because someone can mod doesn't mean they should get respect. They only deserve respect if they show it, and when I mean show it, I mean when they actually think "Outside The Box" and try to understand what the main topic creator was getting at rather than just assuming that every mod listed was already created or could not be done... He only listed a couple as "Could not be done" which means he assumed the rest of the ones that I asked for were already created, when in an entirety, were not. So because of this, I get called a fool for starting an argument that would not have occurred if he had not misunderstood me? If he didn't misunderstand me, then he wouldn't have had this argument with me, but instead I probably would have asked him questions on why Quick Dismount could not exist.

 

The following is what I wanted him to say. You may or may not see the meaning of these words when you read them. This statement he said is the reason the word perfect can never be achieved.

 

"Cannot be done" is a broad statment, this means that either it cannot be done currently, or it cannot be done in any way which anyone else would want to use it. I cannot see the future, I cannot know everything. I am Human. I do however have a greater than average understanding of game mechanics and how things actually work. Just because I say it cannot be done does necessarily mean that it can't eventurally.

 

You get on my case because I say when things cannot be done, because as far as I know, and can see, they can't,

 

Game creators are modders. The only thing that changes is the fact that they are creating the game. Modders take the same courses as game creators, in fact, game creators probably know less than what a grade 12 student is being taught right now especially if that game creator hasn't taken a computer course in 5 years.

 

You underestimate yourselves.

 

You are the one who cannot accept anything other than their own view.

 

Except in the case of your fast dismount idea, which I have already spent time explaining specifically WHY it cannot, and will never be done

 

Then please actually EXPLAIN before making such statements. Explaining takes a lot less than misunderstanding what the original topic creator was trying to get at. I will ALWAYS go against what someone else says regardless of me knowing they are right or not. There is ALWAYS that little bit of uncertainty that I try to get the other to acknowledge. Once I get the to notice it, I am satisfied that they finally know BOTH sides of the argument.

[Vagrant0]

Please stop putting words into my mouth and twisting things I say to suit your needs. You stopped a quote in the middle to agree with what you wanted to agree, and left the remainder to contest. That was a single statement. You wholely misunderstand what it means to be a modder and what the limitations of a modder are. Please accept this. As for why it won't work, I already explained clearly.

 

The reason why most of the things you want involving a horse can't be done is due to the fact that while riding that horse, you and the horse are treated as a single entity. Seriously, before you go on this little self-rightous rant do your research. Apparently the people who you're speaking to don't know anything. I am not suggesting that I know everything, but as far as this goes, it cannot currently be done. Get over yourself, good idea or not, it isn't practical or possible to do some of these things. I make it my business to look into all these game mechanics and see how it could be done. When I say that it can't be done, it is not a quick judgement, it is looking at all the things involved, knowing what the limits of scripting are, and comparing them to what you want. You can't fast dismount because the only way to trigger that dismount would be through paralysis. This means both you, and the horse, get paralyzed (or fatigued if you want to be critical). Also at that moment, the horse will no longer be under the player control, so would not continue moving even if the horse wasn't a lump on the ground. Try playing with the blackhorse courers some time, even when you instantly kill them while they're moving, they have to come to a complete stop before they can die. Even if you only have that fatigue or paralysis last only 1 frame, the game will still force you and the horse to go through a moment of ragdoll.

 

Which you have probably dismissed entirely because you are not willing to accept that some things cannot be done. This isn't a mission to mars, this isn't even a mission to another galaxy, this is a mission to never never land (and not the ranch, or to any earthbased parallels). It cannot be done for the same reason that someone cannot run around naked on the outside of a space shuttle while its in orbit. This is not an underestimation of what modders can do. Simply, the effect you want does not exist currently in game, cannot be made to exist in game, and no method of trying to get around those hard coded factors will allow it to exist in game. Please don't post a reply until you actually understand that some things cannot be done, not by modders, not even by the people who made the game. If you wish to contest this, I ask that you prove it through your own actual work, not just merely mentioning what someone else did and assuming the mechanics are related. I'll even get you started.

 

scn fastdismountspell

begin scripteffectfinish
<everything to get you off the horse goes here>
end

Attach it to a spell with a duration, cast that spell, mount the horse, wait for duration to end. When the duration ends the actions you scripted will take place. If it cannot be achieved in this way, it cannot be called with a keypress. The question is not how to trigger the action, but what exactly that action is. I already stated the only ways which exist of getting a rider off a horse, and the reasons why it will not work. Please accept that I happen to know that the hell I am talking about.

[Szayn]

Please stop putting words into my mouth and twisting things I say to suit your needs. You stopped a quote in the middle to agree with what you wanted to agree, and left the remainder to contest. That was a single statement. You wholely misunderstand what it means to be a modder and what the limitations of a modder are. Please accept this. As for why it won't work, I already explained clearly.

 

I put words into your mouth? Yea right. All I did was quote what you said because you finally decided to say that you had your limits. I stopped a quote in the middle to SHOW YOU what you said. That is all. You failed to realize what you said yourself. Stop making excuses.

 

The mods "AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE" cannot be done. I am NOT twisting your words. I am only CLARIFYING what you said so you can SEE FOR YOURSELF what you said. You dismissed your own statements which completely contradicts what you were trying to get at before.

 

Or is it, you do not want to submit and accept the fact that you cannot do everything because this is how I am seeing it now.

 

All I can see standing there is some person that is respected as a modder because he can create some mods that are within his own grasp, not because of his understanding for other people. One that cannot accept defeat. If you are going to say that I won't accept defeat, then please read one of my posts. I had stated that I understood why the mod couldn't be done. I even posted an EXPLANATION which you failed to do yourself. All you did was say "Characters on mounts are a single entity" and "When you kill them, they both fall to the ground"... That only explains the limitations of the Oblivion Engine... Stop splitting up your explanations or people will start misunderstanding you and this will happen.

 

Which you have probably dismissed entirely because you are not willing to accept that some things cannot be done. This isn't a mission to mars, this isn't even a mission to another galaxy, this is a mission to never never land (and not the ranch, or to any earthbased parallels). It cannot be done for the same reason that someone cannot run around naked on the outside of a space shuttle while its in orbit. This is not an underestimation of what modders can do. Simply, the effect you want does not exist currently in game, cannot be made to exist in game, and no method of trying to get around those hard coded factors will allow it to exist in game. Please don't post a reply until you actually understand that some things cannot be done, not by modders, not even by the people who made the game. If you wish to contest this, I ask that you prove it through your own actual work, not just merely mentioning what someone else did and assuming the mechanics are related. I'll even get you started.

 

Next time, read my argument before posting. You obviously do not understand what I am saying. Like I said before, I am generalizing the ENTIRETY of modding, not just Oblivions Game Engine with that statement. I clearly stated it to begin with too. Seeing as you said that, you failed to read that part. YES, I understand what you are saying.

 

All you can do is make statements about real life that don't have a damn thing to do with this argument. Stop trying to make yourself look good. To me, you are failing miserably. Stop thinking within the box and start thinking outside of it. Once you do, you will realize that if they actually made a BETTER game engine, new options will be unlocked. Stop saying that everything is impossible, because in better due respect, an impossible factor within a game does not exist, however, it only exists undetermined amount of time. This amount of time could be weeks, years, decades... Who knows for certain?

 

Think of the game engine for NES, then think of the Game Engine for Oblivion. It is NOT impossible for a game.

 

As for walking in space naked, that has absolutely nothing to do with modding. This just shows your own limitations by saying stuff like this.

 

Attach it to a spell with a duration, cast that spell, mount the horse, wait for duration to end. When the duration ends the actions you scripted will take place. If it cannot be achieved in this way, it cannot be called with a keypress. The question is not how to trigger the action, but what exactly that action is. I already stated the only ways which exist of getting a rider off a horse, and the reasons why it will not work. Please accept that I happen to know that the hell I am talking about.

 

Now you decide to further explain... Now you are actually getting somewhere with the explanations, unlike what you were saying before. I already accepted that you knew what you were talking about, but I wanted to know to what extent, that is why I quoted you about what you said. See the top of this post about that.

[ninja_lord666]

I put words into your mouth? Yea right. All I did was quote what you said because you finally decided to say that you had your limits. I stopped a quote in the middle to SHOW YOU what you said. That is all. You failed to realize what you said yourself. Stop making excuses.

Just because he said something, and you quoted that doesn't mean you didn't misquote. if someone said, "I do not kill people." You could go around and quote that as, "I...kill people." That is a correct quote, but the meaning has been changed completely. What Vagrant meant was that by cutting out the rest of his quote, you changed the meaning of what he said. Don't go into all this bullsh*t about you, "clarifying what you said," or make him "see for yourself what you said." That's just completely egocentric. You believe that you know better than him what he, himself, has said.

 

...I am generalizing the ENTIRETY of modding, not just Oblivions Game Engine...

This topic is in the Oblivion section of the forum, ergo, anything in this section is about Oblivion.

 

...if they actually made a BETTER game engine...

Do you realize just how difficult a game engine is to make? Theres a reason why professional game studios don't make their own engines, professional game makers, people with degrees in programming; these people don't even make their own engines. Why? Because it's very difficult.

 

Think of the game engine for NES, then think of the Game Engine for Oblivion. It is NOT impossible for a game.

First off, NES was made in 1985; Oblivion was made in 2006. There's a 21 year gap in there. You can't very well compare the game engine for The Legend of Zelda, or Super Mario Bros. with the game engine of Oblivion, for several reasons, the main one being that they aren't even written in the same language!

 

As for walking in space naked, that has absolutely nothing to do with modding. This just shows your own limitations by saying stuff like this.

Do you not know the terms metaphor, simile? Do these words mean nothing to you? Obviously, so here, links to definitions for both:

Metaphor

Simile

 

I'll issue you a challenge. You obviously seem like you know what you're talking about. If you can make a new engine for Oblivion, from scratch, that allows all the crazy mod ideas you want, I will, personally, make all those mods for you. Does this sound reasonable?

[Szayn]

In order to suggest a resemblance... Walking in space and game modding for Oblivion... I see no resemblance whatsoever. Using dictionary meanings just to make it look like I didn't put it into consideration, in which I actually did.

 

I could careless if a game engine is difficult to make. Vagrant kept saying "Impossible" or "Cannot be done" making it look like he never sought to the future of gaming.

 

 

Think of the game engine for NES, then think of the Game Engine for Oblivion. It is NOT impossible for a game.

 

First off, NES was made in 1985; Oblivion was made in 2006. There's a 21 year gap in there. You can't very well compare the game engine for The Legend of Zelda, or Super Mario Bros. with the game engine of Oblivion, for several reasons, the main one being that they aren't even written in the same language!

 

Do you even know what I was pointing out here? Sure doesn't seem it. Well I will tell you. Both had game engines. One is older and one is newer. Notice the significant changes to game play that the Game Engine for Oblivion allowed for? I was merely pointing out that people can make better game engines regardless if they wanted to or not, not the time difference between both.

 

if someone said, "I do not kill people." You could go around and quote that as, "I...kill people."

 

That would require a changing to the ENTIRE statement and then COMBINING two parts of the same quote together, which is NOT what I did. The way you did it was changing what the person said completely, while what I did was just pointing out full statements of what he said.

 

"Cannot be done" is a broad statment, this means that either it cannot be done currently, or it cannot be done in any way which anyone else would want to use it. I cannot see the future, I cannot know everything. I am Human. I do however have a greater than average understanding of game mechanics and how things actually work. Just because I say it cannot be done does necessarily mean that it can't eventurally.

 

You get on my case because I say when things cannot be done, because as far as I know, and can see, they can't,

 

After the can't, he said but, which means he changed the topic and then he said something about explaining. How is that called changing what he said?

 

Notice how I did NOT change what he said at all? I started at the start of the sentence and ended it when he changed topics. That is NOT changing what he said. So watch what you accuse people for before you actually accuse them.

[ninja_lord666]

I agree with Vagrant, you're a block headed moron. I'm sure you still wouldn't understand even if the truth were forcibly shoved into your skull. You deserve to sit here in your ignorance pondering what impossibilities you want to try next.

 

If you haven't noticed (I assume you haven't as your post only directly responds to me), Vagrant has made a final post, right before yours.

[Szayn]

I already stated about 6 posts ago that I knew what you fools were getting at, but did you care to read it? Of course not.

 

You guys are pretty block-headed yourselves.

[Abramul]

I already stated about 6 posts ago that I knew what you fools were getting at, but did you care to read it? Of course not.

 

You guys are pretty block-headed yourselves.

You make a better argument for bringing Peregrine back than I ever could. Thank you.

[Szayn]

I already stated about 6 posts ago that I knew what you fools were getting at, but did you care to read it? Of course not.

 

You guys are pretty block-headed yourselves.

You make a better argument for bringing Peregrine back than I ever could. Thank you.

 

Peregrine?

 

I don't know who that is... The reason why I think I get into arguments a lot is because the people I talk to about things don't seem to ever realize the other persons point of view however, I only get into arguments at the start because of common sense misunderstandings.

 

By the way, I was going to use your signature in an earlier post, but then thought it would be rude of me to use it without proper consent. Since the argument is over, I won't need it heh.

 

Who was Peregrine by the way? Sounds like he was banned or something.

 

Also, would you happen to know how to change gravitation settings or such in Oblivion?