Unstable Oblivion once again... (Non-FCOM)

[Erfinjerfin]

I decided that FCOM was simply too unstable, it crashed way too much to be considered playable. I decided I would create a modded install, but a non-FCOM one. And to my surprise, it proves to be just as unstable - the game won't even start. Yes, I have all of the Deadly Reflex and Unnecessary Violence requirements installed, so I'm ruling that out.

 

Here's my load order, if anyone wants to dissect it and check for issues (BOSSed):

 

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Oblivion.esm

• 01 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.0.7]

• 02 HorseCombatMaster.esm

• 03 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.7]

• 04 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

• 05 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

• 06 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

• 07 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.4]

• 08 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]

• 09 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]

• 0A Scribe Supplies.esp

• 0B VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

• 0C Knights.esp

• 0D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

• 0E ElsweyrAnequina.esp

• 0F xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]

• 10 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]

• 11 xulTheHeath.esp

• 12 XulEntiusGorge.esp

• 13 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]

• 14 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]

• 15 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]

• 16 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]

• 17 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]

• 18 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]

• 19 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]

• 1A xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]

• 1B xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]

• 1C xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]

• 1D xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

• 1E xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.3]

• 1F xulPantherRiver.esp

• 20 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]

• 21 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1]

• 22 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]

• 23 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]

• 24 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]

• 25 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]

• 26 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]

• 27 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.3]

• 28 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]

• 29 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.2]

• 2A xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.0]

• 2B Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

• 2C MidasSpells.esp

• 2D Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp

• 2E Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

• 2F SP1stPLegs.esp

• 30 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.0.7]

• 31 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.0.0]

• 32 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.7]

• 33 Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 4.9.8]

• 34 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.0]

• 35 Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp [Version 4.9.5]

• 36 UVII.esp

• 37 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

• 38 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

Edited November 11, 2011 by Erfinjerfin

[shinobi2008]

I decided that FCOM was simply too unstable, it crashed way too much to be considered playable. I decided I would create a modded install, but a non-FCOM one. And to my surprise, it proves to be just as unstable - the game won't even start. Yes, I have all of the Deadly Reflex and Unnecessary Violence requirements installed, so I'm ruling that out.

 

Here's my load order, if anyone wants to dissect it and check for issues (BOSSed):

 

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Oblivion.esm

• 01 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.0.7]

• 02 HorseCombatMaster.esm

• 03 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.7]

• 04 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

• 05 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

• 06 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

• 07 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.4]

• 08 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]

• 09 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]

• 0A Scribe Supplies.esp

• 0B VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

• 0C Knights.esp

• 0D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

• 0E ElsweyrAnequina.esp

• 0F xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]

• 10 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]

• 11 xulTheHeath.esp

• 12 XulEntiusGorge.esp

• 13 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]

• 14 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]

• 15 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]

• 16 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]

• 17 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]

• 18 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]

• 19 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]

• 1A xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]

• 1B xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]

• 1C xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]

• 1D xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

• 1E xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.3]

• 1F xulPantherRiver.esp

• 20 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]

• 21 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1]

• 22 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]

• 23 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]

• 24 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]

• 25 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]

• 26 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]

• 27 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.3]

• 28 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]

• 29 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.2]

• 2A xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.0]

• 2B Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

• 2C MidasSpells.esp

• 2D Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp

• 2E Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

• 2F SP1stPLegs.esp

• 30 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.0.7]

• 31 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.0.0]

• 32 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.7]

• 33 Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 4.9.8]

• 34 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.0.0]

• 35 Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp [Version 4.9.5]

• 36 UVII.esp

• 37 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

• 38 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

I'm not an expert in this matter but looking at your mod list, you have almost all of my mods too. I didn't experience crash yet after my 3rd fresh install? I think you are missing some patches that would come with Better Cities for your UL mods. Check the Better Cities archive to see if you overlooked something. You mentioned you're using BOSS also is that mean you are using the TES4Edit too? Make sure you clean the mods according to the BOSS and then get the compatibility patches. One last thing... if I remember correctly UV and Deadly Reflex were supposed to be loaded after the bashed patch. I could be wrong though so don't quote me on that one. Good luck.

[Keirgarth]

When you changed from FCOM to your current list of mods, did you do a fresh install, or just revert to vanilla?

 

When you installed all of the current mods, did you test along the way after each mod to make sure the game was playable and stable or just install the batch of them and see if it starts?

 

Oblivion is very picky about how things are done to mod the game. There are install orders that should be followed as well as load orders to get things to work right. I have installed FCOM and uFCOM several times and each time I wish to use that overhaul setup I pretty much end up reinstalling at least half a dozen times to get things to work right. You might be having the same issues.

 

As for your current mod list, there isn't really much there. Better cities, the DLC stuff, DR and UL and an environment upgrade compilation. With your game not starting, we can rule out anything that starts with xul as those are pretty much texture replacers. Better Cities I have seen very little issues with, so for now I would rule that out. Of the other 2, DR6 and UL I have read several posts in the recent past that have me pretty much convinced to stay away from DR6 for a bit as it is hard to get it to work right and might be the culprit. Perhaps uninstall it and try DR5 and see what happens?

[Erfinjerfin]

When you changed from FCOM to your current list of mods, did you do a fresh install, or just revert to vanilla?

Fresh install.

When you installed all of the current mods, did you test along the way after each mod to make sure the game was playable and stable or just install the batch of them and see if it starts?

The latter - I might just try a fresh install and see what happens after each mod is applied.

Oblivion is very picky about how things are done to mod the game. There are install orders that should be followed as well as load orders to get things to work right. I have installed FCOM and uFCOM several times and each time I wish to use that overhaul setup I pretty much end up reinstalling at least half a dozen times to get things to work right. You might be having the same issues.

Yep, I had the same issue with uFCOM.

As for your current mod list, there isn't really much there. Better cities, the DLC stuff, DR and UL and an environment upgrade compilation. With your game not starting, we can rule out anything that starts with xul as those are pretty much texture replacers. Better Cities I have seen very little issues with, so for now I would rule that out.

Good, those are the mods that take the longest time to install.

Of the other 2, DR6 and UL I have read several posts in the recent past that have me pretty much convinced to stay away from DR6 for a bit as it is hard to get it to work right and might be the culprit. Perhaps uninstall it and try DR5 and see what happens?

Duly noted. I'll try DR5 instead of 6.

[Keirgarth]

It is always best to install only a single or maybe a couple of smaller mods at the same time then test. This will allow you to see negative changes quickly without having to go back through everything to see what made changes that were not working well with your install. It is also a good idea once you know a set of mods is working without issue to create a backup of the data folder just in case you install other mods later and they cause issues. This is one of the easier ways to get back to a game that is capable of running correctly. Also, once you have removed a mod, load a save and make a new save so you have a clean save without the mod.