Haceldama Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 I don't mind Skyrim being steamed, I do not need to buy or play it, really.What I do hope for is that eventually there are enough people not buying into steam games that publishing without it or any other kind of online-activation becomes the norm again. Wishful thinking, but until that is the case, I'll just keep my money, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 ... Also you should be aware that steam in itself requires too much personal information and yet again I will say that steam was just majorly hacked, all accounts, passwords,credit card numbers, addresses,etc were all hacked and compromised.No, this is not true. a) The only "personal" information required for a Steam account is a valid email address. If you want to BUY a game through Steam, you'll have to provide some mechanism for payment (and PayPal works for me, so still no CC info, real name, physical address or other PII of mine on Valve's servers.) b) The GAME-sever side of Steam wasn't hacked, only the Forums. No need to have ANY information over there at all if you don't want, (and I don't) even if you get and play Steam-only games. And the CC info was encrypted, even if your username and email address wasn't. Yes, if you linked your presence there to your "game account" (and who wouldn't?) and used the same password (very likely) then you have to change both. While regrettable, this sort of thing is also probably unavoidable in the current semi-secure world of the wild-wild-web. (Once we all bite the bullet and go for two-factor authentication and/or internet postage for every message, 95% or more of the spam and attacks will disappear.) c) You can object to the increasing use of digital distribution and authentication mechanisms all you want. Any serious (and seriously large) developer or publisher who wants to stay in business is going to adopt them, and on an accelerating basis. The consequences of not doing so are just too catastrophic. :sad: So you can learn to protect yourself WHILE engaging with the modern computer gaming environment, or you can withdraw from it. Either is a valid choice, but it's only going to get harder not not make one. :whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoolyFooly Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 What I do hope for is that eventually there are enough people not buying into steam games that publishing without it or any other kind of online-activation becomes the norm again. Steam has 35 million users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnu Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 I have to agree with you on one thing. the Steam Activation is a pain in the ass. Especially for the visually impaired damn near impossible for me to do it on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paterah Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 I don't mind Skyrim being steamed, I do not need to buy or play it, really.What I do hope for is that eventually there are enough people not buying into steam games that publishing without it or any other kind of online-activation becomes the norm again. Wishful thinking, but until that is the case, I'll just keep my money, thank you very much.I hope one day all games become steamworks so I can buy them from whenever I want and still activate them on Steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappa45 Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) Thandal you're wrong about steam not being hacked. Their sight and corporate computers were hacked and all of their member information was compromised. I recieved the information from steam personally that named every aspect of their sight and credit card numbers,etc were hacked into. They recommended to me that I keep an eye on my credit card to make sure no one charged anything on it. Yes every game, every member ,every password, everything was hacked. That came straight from steam to me in an apology e-mail. I am not making this up here. Also fooly fooly there are 35 million steam members because most of us who want to play our games have no choice but to open a steam account...that is our beef here and our problem. But it is true that I do not need to buy games and after this I'm done. I will buy no more games on any platform that requires steam I just won't buy em no matter how much I like the games. I'm just done...call me old fashioned but i like my freedom, especially when I pay up for it. Later guys and thanks for the info. Edited November 12, 2011 by zappa45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macole Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 zappa45, I agree with everything you have been saying in this thread. From the user agreement they basicly say they reserve the right to gather information off your computer. I don't trust them to not abuse that privilage. That's why I the sent game back. I don't expect any money back but I do have the satisfaction of telling them why I don't want a thrid party trojan residing on my PC. I may relent in the future but for now I feel good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meesles Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Missing out on a great game just because of Steam is silly. I have used Steam for over 5 years, own 90+ games, and have never had a problem. If you just secure your information online and don't act like a retard, you will be completely safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paydenfuhl Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Wow - I feel like a virgin n00b trespassing in the halls of the elders here, but I feel compelled to add my 0.0025 cents (exchange rates being what they are etc). I don't mod - I use them. My totally legit versions of Oblivion, DAO and DA2 are unrecognizable - animations, textures, weapons etc (without the creepy sex stuff), - all way beyond the fantastical. SO please understand the respect I hold for anyone who actually understands how that stuff works. So imagine my excitement with all the trailers and screenshots that have come out for Skyrim this last year - I pre-ordered the day the option became available. But STEAM? I live in a country where internet access is not free. To download the buggy (in this land) non working platform to prove that I'm not as criminal will cost 9, NINE, IX, yes 9 times what it cost me to purchase the game in the first place. Unless of course I work for an IT company with unlimited cap - which I don't. At current exchange rates it works out to around $ 270. And it doesn't work. Online secure identification, activation and authentication are necessary. Gamers themselves are responsible for letting pirates flourish and force companies to resort to additional protection - but STEAM?!?! So no. Until a non steam powered version is available I will remain in limobo with those poor souls who cannot experience the visceral, visualgasm RPG experience that is Skyrim. Unlike them I know what I'm losing out on. Curse you Bethesda! May you be Wabbajacked and given to that Japanese modder guy with his tentacle rape spell fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappa45 Posted November 14, 2011 Author Share Posted November 14, 2011 ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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