jakeskillman Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Alrighty, I am having the most insanely frustrating issue with my current build of skyrim. I've been here for years, and you guys are the best, so I am hoping I can find a solution. In the past I have had stable builds with over 400 mods, recently, I upgraded to Windows 10 and decided to retire my old profiles and start from scratch with a pretty basic (for me) setup. I installed the same mods I usually do, omitting many from previous build that I deemed unnecessary to just have fun. I played until level 14 with no issues with NLA 2.0 before deciding I did not like ELFX in combination with it, so I removed the mod and it's patches, following the clean save procedure, and, in all honesty, figured it would cause issues, and then I started getting random crashes, both inside and outside. Common sense told me that this was due to removing ELFX. So I decided to make a completely new character, double and triple check my mods, remove all saves, and start fresh. Well, I did so. starting off as a patron in a local pub in solitude (I use Alternate Start and selected surprise me). I always do a couple things to test a build's stability right off the bat, and that is usually turning on god mode and running in third person around the world, well I did this, and began getting CTDs In random locations. The first was at night outside of whiterun, the next was at night running to morthal, I think I may have had one during the day, but the next one was running west from windhelm and preparing to fight wolves. and then I had one in Faldar's tooth. Just random CTDs with no error whatsoever. My basic specs: i7-4770k@ 4.6ghz - 40% usage max while playing skyrim, and never above 50c EVGA 780 Ti 3gb SC - 90-95% usage never gets above 71c 16gb Corsair Vengeance Pro Windows 10 So far, I have used skyrim performance monitor and have noticed that often the crashes take place when my GPU is nowhere near the memory cap. My usage is around 90-95% (which is normal). In fact, they usually take place in the middle of nowhere with very little going on. I've also tried using Natural Realism NLA and the same thing happens. I installed Memory Blocks log and have plenty of room. To test this, I turned on god mode, put on my highest poly armor, and picked a fight with a guard at the windhelm docks and had around 15 people attacking me, and several others cowering. Perfectly Fine. So I know that patch is not being overwritten and is working. Link: http://pastebin.com/j2UgS2rF I have correctly set my enblocal.ini in accordance with how it functions (videomemorysizemb being 4064-350) on Windows 10. Link: http://pastebin.com/rYaa38Di I've monitored all of my temperatures and usage, started completely new saves And again, these are random crashes, mostly at night (though I'm not sure if that's a fluke or not as they have happened in interiors as well) that have no error associated with them, there are no save issues, I have used ALL of these mods in the past, my master files are clean, the dirty files (of which there are two) are meant to be that way, my temps are fine, loot says everything is great, I've used NLA in the past with great results. I just cannot fathom what the issue could possibly be. I have never had issues like this. Especially not since I've learned how to properly and fastidiously mod my game. Any help would be appreciated. I don't want to start over again. My Mods, inis, and loadorder: http://www.modwat.ch/u/TheNatural p.s. In my skyrimprefs.ini The only thing that has changed is under LOD, I increased all values other than sky to 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard131 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Alrighty, I am having the most insanely frustrating issue with my current build of skyrim. I've been here for years, and you guys are the best, so I am hoping I can find a solution. In the past I have had stable builds with over 400 mods, recently, I upgraded to Windows 10 and decided to retire my old profiles and start from scratch with a pretty basic (for me) setup. I installed the same mods I usually do, omitting many from previous build that I deemed unnecessary to just have fun. I played until level 14 with no issues with NLA 2.0 before deciding I did not like ELFX in combination with it, so I removed the mod and it's patches, following the clean save procedure, and, in all honesty, figured it would cause issues, and then I started getting random crashes, both inside and outside. Common sense told me that this was due to removing ELFX. So I decided to make a completely new character, double and triple check my mods, remove all saves, and start fresh. Well, I did so. starting off as a patron in a local pub in solitude (I use Alternate Start and selected surprise me). I always do a couple things to test a build's stability right off the bat, and that is usually turning on god mode and running in third person around the world, well I did this, and began getting CTDs In random locations.The first was at night outside of whiterun, the next was at night running to morthal, I think I may have had one during the day, but the next one was running west from windhelm and preparing to fight wolves. and then I had one in Faldar's tooth. Just random CTDs with no error whatsoever. My basic specs:i7-4770k@ 4.6ghz - 40% usage max while playing skyrim, and never above 50cEVGA 780 Ti 3gb SC - 90-95% usage never gets above 71c16gb Corsair Vengeance ProWindows 10 So far, I have used skyrim performance monitor and have noticed that often the crashes take place when my GPU is nowhere near the memory cap. My usage is around 90-95% (which is normal). In fact, they usually take place in the middle of nowhere with very little going on. I've also tried using Natural Realism NLA and the same thing happens. I installed Memory Blocks log and have plenty of room. To test this, I turned on god mode, put on my highest poly armor, and picked a fight with a guard at the windhelm docks and had around 15 people attacking me, and several others cowering. Perfectly Fine. So I know that patch is not being overwritten and is working. Link: http://pastebin.com/j2UgS2rF I have correctly set my enblocal.ini in accordance with how it functions (videomemorysizemb being 4064-350) on Windows 10. Link: http://pastebin.com/rYaa38DiI've monitored all of my temperatures and usage, started completely new saves And again, these are random crashes, mostly at night (though I'm not sure if that's a fluke or not as they have happened in interiors as well) that have no error associated with them, there are no save issues, I have used ALL of these mods in the past, my master files are clean, the dirty files (of which there are two) are meant to be that way, my temps are fine, loot says everything is great, I've used NLA in the past with great results. I just cannot fathom what the issue could possibly be. I have never had issues like this. Especially not since I've learned how to properly and fastidiously mod my game. Any help would be appreciated. I don't want to start over again. My Mods, inis, and loadorder: http://www.modwat.ch/u/TheNatural p.s. In my skyrimprefs.ini The only thing that has changed is under LOD, I increased all values other than sky to 15. I've got a couple of questions just so we can get to the bottom of your potential issues. When you upgraded to Windows 10 did you throw away the game installation folder before you did the new install of the game? When you upgraded did you do an update or a fresh install? Which mod manager are you using? Which ENB are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeskillman Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Upgrade to Windows 10 on a fresh windows 7 install. Kept zero files or programs, removed windows.old, as close to a fresh install as you can get without the disc or an image. Fresh install of skyrim, using MO. I think I said it in the OP but I've been using NLA and it's variants (mostly Natural Realism, AMAZING preset) for a long time. I played for 25 hours with no issues. Now even on brand new saves I eventually ctd. Edited June 19, 2016 by jakeskillman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard131 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Upgrade to Windows 10 on a fresh windows 7 install. Kept zero files or programs, removed windows.old, as close to a fresh install as you can get without the disc or an image. Fresh install of skyrim, using MO. I think I said it in the OP but I've been using NLA and it's variants (mostly Natural Realism, AMAZING preset) for a long time. I played for 25 hours with no issues. Now even on brand new saves I eventually ctd. Are you sure that recently added mods may be creating the problem, or that the mod archive is somehow deteriorating or getting corrupted.. The thing that I would look at it is to make sure that Shesons SKSE patch is properly implemented. With the ENB that you use have you checked for updates?At one point in time I had a real version giving me problems The problem that I think that you're actually having seems to be probably centered around your ENB and its compatibility with Windows 10 you may have to go through and set compatibility modes for the Components. This is a memory hole condition so you are getting slow buildup so there is some sort of issue with memory allocation. There is a reason that they give Windows 10 away but we won't go there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeskillman Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 I think you may be right, after pouring over some forum posts, I have found that I am certainly not the only person who has had issues (with a number of mods) and windows 10. I guess it's time to setup a dual install, or just fully revery back to windows 7 for modding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpw0311 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I can't say if you have the same problem I did, but with win10 I was getting random purple models or random ctd even when no where near the vram cap. Sometimes it would let me run the game for 45 minutes, other times just a couple of fast travels and problems started to show up. I set up a dual boot to win7 and have not had any problems since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeskillman Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Welp, it has to be my mods. I did a fresh clean install of Windows 7. Got everything I needed. Downloaded about 2/3 of my intended mods, and the crash is back. Still nowhere near the limit for my GPU's memory, or the overall cap. Temps are fine. I just don't understand. This is the craziest thing I have ever dealt with. Any other ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeskillman Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Alright, so I did a few things. I started a brand new character for the 485895849th time and went into the game, and deactivated the enb, and played for a while. Same thing. Seemingly random CTD. I am now beginning the process of elimination and deactivating all mods, then slowly adding them back in. I tried to just prune the likely culprits, but the random CTDs persisted. I also ran the memory diagnostic tool for about two hours with no errors detected. and I am getting no other signs of a memory issue. Other games are running just fine. I will attempt to find the smallest load order I can that still CTDs. I will then post the modlist and load order here. I am so frustrated right now. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard131 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Alright, so I did a few things. I started a brand new character for the 485895849th time and went into the game, and deactivated the enb, and played for a while. Same thing. Seemingly random CTD. I am now beginning the process of elimination and deactivating all mods, then slowly adding them back in. I tried to just prune the likely culprits, but the random CTDs persisted. I also ran the memory diagnostic tool for about two hours with no errors detected. and I am getting no other signs of a memory issue. Other games are running just fine. I will attempt to find the smallest load order I can that still CTDs. I will then post the modlist and load order here. I am so frustrated right now. :sad: The problem lies within your initialization file Total video memory of available you have 3714 In there right now Based on your system and never should be much higher. ExpandSystemMemoryX64=trueReduceSystemMemoryUsage=trueDisableDriverMemoryManager=falseDisablePreloadToVRAM=falseEnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=falseReservedMemorySizeMb=256VideoMemorySizeMb=3714EnableCompression=trueAutodetectVideoMemorySize=false If you go to ENB.Dev and use the tool that Boris has posted and use that number. It will probably be twice that amount of memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeskillman Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Alright, so I did a few things. I started a brand new character for the 485895849th time and went into the game, and deactivated the enb, and played for a while. Same thing. Seemingly random CTD. I am now beginning the process of elimination and deactivating all mods, then slowly adding them back in. I tried to just prune the likely culprits, but the random CTDs persisted. I also ran the memory diagnostic tool for about two hours with no errors detected. and I am getting no other signs of a memory issue. Other games are running just fine. I will attempt to find the smallest load order I can that still CTDs. I will then post the modlist and load order here. I am so frustrated right now. :sad: The problem lies within your initialization file Total video memory of available you have 3714 In there right now Based on your system and never should be much higher. ExpandSystemMemoryX64=trueReduceSystemMemoryUsage=trueDisableDriverMemoryManager=falseDisablePreloadToVRAM=falseEnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=falseReservedMemorySizeMb=256VideoMemorySizeMb=3714EnableCompression=trueAutodetectVideoMemorySize=false If you go to ENB.Dev and use the tool that Boris has posted and use that number. It will probably be twice that amount of memory That is the max amount of memory you can enter in enblocal when using windows 10, which I was using at the time of the OP. I have since changed it. I will upload my current settings and modlist after my recent clean install of windows 7 and skyrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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