How to avoid Steam as much as possible

[BloXboX]

Everyone here except some seem to be new to gaming.

 

If you think Steam does anything bad and is not official service you're out of your f***ing mind.

[meesles]

Not ALL accounts were compromised, that is made up by paranoid people like you. Also realize that one, if you were really paranoid about this you would just link Paypal to your steam, and your credit card information would be safe and two, there are services to protect people when their personal information is compromised, it's not the end of the world. This is the first time it has happened, it shouldn't make you judge Steam as a demon of game distribution.

[zappa45]

Many people that have been playing and supporting this game for years hate steam because it is an unwanted and unsolicited intrusion. We don't want steam ,we don't need steam ...it is forced upon us even though we have paid for the box edition of the game. If I can't get skyrim to play without steam installed on my computer then I'll toss the game in the trash and go work on my bike instead. That's how much we hate steam. It's a freedom issue.Also Meesles you are wrong: we are not paranoid steam was hacked in a major way every user account ,every password,every credit card,every game and all the info on you and everyone else that uses steam was indeed hacked. I got this information straight from steam a month after it happened( because they have absolutely no support what-so-ever) . Steam told me that they had been hacked and that everything was compromised. They then apologized to me and suggested that I may want to watch my credit card to make sure no one has charged anything on it and to watch my game accounts to make sure that nothing happened there. So don't say I'm paranoid just because you haven't heard or because you haven't had any issues yet. Edited November 13, 2011 by zappa45

[BloXboX]

Many people that have been playing and supporting this game for years hate steam because it is an unwanted and unsolicited intrusion. We don't want steam ,we don't need steam ...it is forced upon us even though we have paid for the box edition of the game. If I can't get skyrim to play without steam installed on my computer then I'll toss the game in the trash and go work on my bike instead. That's how much we hate steam. It's a freedom issue.Also Meesles you are wrong: we are not paranoid steam was hacked in a major way every user account ,every password,every credit card,every game and all the info on you and everyone else that uses steam was indeed hacked. I got this information straight from steam a month after it happened( because they have absolutely no support what-so-ever) . Steam told me that they had been hacked and that everything was compromised. They then apologized to me and suggested that I may want to watch my credit card to make sure no one has charged anything on it and to watch my game accounts to make sure that nothing happened there. So don't say I'm paranoid just because you haven't heard or because you haven't had any issues yet.

 

Every credit card, every game and all info was hacked? Whatever you're smoking. I'd like some.

 

Only FORUM accounts were comprimised, those accounts are not even connected to steam. And those who were comprimised is such a small number its almost stupid to mention. Steam was not hacked. The forum was.

Edited November 13, 2011 by BloXboX

[meesles]

Not ALL accounts were compromised, that is made up by paranoid people like you. Also realize that one, if you were really paranoid about this you would just link Paypal to your steam, and your credit card information would be safe and two, there are services to protect people when their personal information is compromised, it's not the end of the world. This is the first time it has happened, it shouldn't make you judge Steam as a demon of game distribution.

 

I don't know how to put it differently than: "No." Every account was not compromised, that's all there is to it. As for the hard feelings of being forced to use a program you didn't need to before, blame advancing technology. Bethesda would potentially lose more clients by not using Steam, since it opens the game to such a huge userbase. Also, Steam offers an easier way to patch the game automatically, as opposed to having to go find patch files online.

 

Also (I'm assuming you didn't have steam before since you're complaining about it), to make an account you don't need any more private info than a valid e-mail, same as registering for this forum (which by the way is easier to hack than Steam servers). You don't need a credit card or paypal to activate your game on Steam.

[glensh]

I use Steam, and I've never had a problem with their system(Well some minor). And the occasional hacks are unavoidable, everyone in this day in age is risk to hacking. The dang U.S Govt is hacked daily (Which is no surprise, their idiots).

 

But I am still ticked off at Bethesda for the simple fact that I HAVE TO use Steam. That just seems a little controlling. It even ticks me off a little more, I found this out after I paid for the game.

 

Then again, there are possibly some advantages to having the game linked to Steam. Please correct me if I am wrong, but having the game linked to Steam means the game will be updated automatically. Plus it would be nice to be updated on the game news. It would also be nice to have easier access to DLC.

[finiras]

The Steam TOS is pretty ugly. You don't actually own the game if you buy it. Technically, it is a subscription service. You're a subscriber. You don't own the game.

 

And this:

 

Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time.

Edited November 13, 2011 by finiras

[meesles]

The Steam TOS is pretty ugly. You don't actually own the game if you buy it. Technically, it is a subscription service. You're a subscriber. You don't own the game.

 

And this:

 

Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time.

 

Just don't do anything worth losing your privileges over.

[FoolyFooly]

A lot of people hate Steam on these forums, and I've never really understood why. It's easy and simple to use, it's quick, and it doesn't do any harm.

 

Ask any of the detractors to come up with a good reason and they just parrot what other people say. The real truth is that they want something to complain about, because complaining is easy. You know, those people who hear the words "Steam required to play" and raise a moral objection to being "required" to do anything.

Edited November 13, 2011 by FoolyFooly

[finiras]

The Steam TOS is pretty ugly. You don't actually own the game if you buy it. Technically, it is a subscription service. You're a subscriber. You don't own the game.

 

And this:

 

Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time.

 

I just have a big problem with this in principle. And they set it up like they are immune from screwing you over. They can do anything to your account. They intentionally set it up to avoid all the consumer protections they can.

 

Would you buy clothes if the store owner reserved the right to "take them away from you at any time for any reason", assuming it was possible under the law? There's good reason it isn't allowed. And then when you said something about this policy, someone tells you "stop whining, just don't do anything that could piss the store owner off"

 

By the way, to use something that you bought is not a privilege, it is a right (legally too), that the people behind Steam are trying to circumvent.

Edited November 13, 2011 by finiras