Onomatopoeia Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 a lot of complaints I've seen aren't legitimate at all. No hot keys, for instance. Page 7 of the manual tells you how to assign hot keys. Like the guy on the first page who said he wants to use a mouse, it seems like people just want more of the same, and not necessarily because its better. The current UI is a lot more efficient than previous elderscrolls games if you take the time to get used to the keys. Maybe it could have been better if designed specifically for the PC, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it the way it is now. Other complaints I've seen are more of the same: reduced # of skills and things like that that have been cut. All things that we've known about for a while and most of which are highly opinionated gripes anyways. Again, change = bad for them. I wish the graphics could be better too, but it WAS a console port. I'm glad it looks as amazing as it does. Unless you put something up in your face, the textures aren't gona look bad at all. As for me I have no real gripes. The game could have been set up to tweak a little easier for people who don't know about the ini or how to use it. But other than that I am 100% satisfied. Oh...Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't it called The Elder Scrolls? The same franchise? The same series of games...Oh no no no, it would be completely wrong to have more of the same indeed.So you would want an exactly the same game that looks exactly the same with barely anything new added to it. We have CoD series for exactly that. Don't even mention that trash franchise that all you kids seem to like. I have no interest in it and was clearly not referring to it in any way. Bearing what you said in mind... What do you call Fallout New Vegas then? That has 99/100 of Fallout 3's files in it but has more content. So it is more of the same yet is loved by thousands here on the nexus.Same goes for the user interface for Morrowind and Oblivion, while not the exact same they are similar.Having some things that are more of the same is not a crime. Infact most of the time it is welcomed. You have got to work on your communication skills. If you don't like something, then don't involve yourself with it and save everyone (including yourself) the trouble of hearing your bickering. If you DO enjoy it, and are instead letting nitpicky issues bend you out of shape, then you need to learn a lesson in patience. There isn't call for a debate on OPINIONS. Grow up or get out, more or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDStudios Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 a lot of complaints I've seen aren't legitimate at all. No hot keys, for instance. Page 7 of the manual tells you how to assign hot keys. Like the guy on the first page who said he wants to use a mouse, it seems like people just want more of the same, and not necessarily because its better. The current UI is a lot more efficient than previous elderscrolls games if you take the time to get used to the keys. Maybe it could have been better if designed specifically for the PC, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it the way it is now. Other complaints I've seen are more of the same: reduced # of skills and things like that that have been cut. All things that we've known about for a while and most of which are highly opinionated gripes anyways. Again, change = bad for them. I wish the graphics could be better too, but it WAS a console port. I'm glad it looks as amazing as it does. Unless you put something up in your face, the textures aren't gona look bad at all. As for me I have no real gripes. The game could have been set up to tweak a little easier for people who don't know about the ini or how to use it. But other than that I am 100% satisfied. Oh...Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't it called The Elder Scrolls? The same franchise? The same series of games...Oh no no no, it would be completely wrong to have more of the same indeed.So you would want an exactly the same game that looks exactly the same with barely anything new added to it. We have CoD series for exactly that. Don't even mention that trash franchise that all you kids seem to like. I have no interest in it and was clearly not referring to it in any way. Bearing what you said in mind... What do you call Fallout New Vegas then? That has 99/100 of Fallout 3's files in it but has more content. So it is more of the same yet is loved by thousands here on the nexus.Same goes for the user interface for Morrowind and Oblivion, while not the exact same they are similar.Having some things that are more of the same is not a crime. Infact most of the time it is welcomed. Mindless bubblegum Why are you being so defensive all of a sudden?The game is a console port, looks like it and feels like it."Many people" (I'm guessing you understand what Many means, clearly it doesn't mean ALL) dislike it. It shows when many others have been voicing the same concerns. Bethesda could have done better.It's not the look that is the ultimate problem, it's the lack of mouse control that everyone has been used to for... YEARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyingAtheist Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I don't see how Skyrim looks like a console port, yet the far uglier Oblivion doesn't.People let nostalgia ruin their view of a game far too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsuneshoujo Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I give Skyrim a 9. The UI knocks off half a point and the typically horrifying faces of the unmodded game knocked off the other point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoreai Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I been reading a lot about skyrims ui problems, the past dayes...while i cant say anything about it since i havent got the game yet, im thinking to wait with buying it, before some good ui mod gets released...there is indeed plenty of people who are very dissapointed with it and clearly stating beth was lazy with the pc version. For example http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/EricSchwarz/20111111/8866/Skyrim_or_How_Not_to_Make_a_PC_Game.php While i love tes games and know i would probably play it even with that ui, its a bit dissapointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappa45 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I have to agree with the low rating here. I have already had several crashes to desktop for no real reason . My system has plenty of muscle and this game just crashes sometimes. The ui is the biggest disappointment though because Morrowind and Oblivion were games than were created to be modded from the start. It was a stroke of genius for Bethesda to include the construction engine with Morrowind. Now the modders and pc users who made these games more that just a play it today trade it tomorrow game are left wondering what is going on. If the Elder Scrolls Platforms go to console then no one will be modding at all. This is a really bad trend for a game who's most ardent supporters are the pc modders who love the freedom of Morrowind and Oblivion. We feel that with all of the time spent on this game by the devs. it should have more of what has worked in the past (ie object placement and drop for one, perfect with Morrowind )and less of what doesn't. While the console market is a big part of newer revenue streams for Bethesda most of the console users will get tired of the game and move on eventually. We modders will turn Skyrim into a magnificent and ever changing work of art that we will play over and over for years while constantly designing and tweaking new content. I'm glad that the console users will get a chance to play these games but designing the ui for only controllers is a disappointing trend. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel but they have only come up with a square. 8.5 is a generous rating in that light. My opinion only. Edited November 13, 2011 by zappa45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatguykalem Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) User Score is even more useless than reviewer score. People will rate "6" games "10" if they happened to enjoy it or they think it deserves a higher score than the average it's receiving, even though they're aware that it's only an average game, and they'll rate "9" games "0" if there's some design decision that makes them angry, or the game turns out not to be the messiah like a certain subset of people always thinks an unreleased game is going to be, or their computer can't run it, or they don't like Steam, or they don't think it deserves as high of a score as other people are giving it. Yeah, I agree with this. It's a load of crap. I was reading through it, and there are people rating it 0 with their only problem being a graphics glitch, or some inane thing. They're judging the game on the merits and shortcomings of other games in the series, things that are said in interviews, comparisons with other current games, and their own wants for a game. They can't seem to get their head around the concept of objectivity. I found Skyrim to be really disappointing, both the UI controls and how the main quest just ends with no acknowledgment that you beat the game whatsoever, just puts you right back into the game like no big deal. Super short too... normally takes me a few days to beat the game. I beat this one in less than a day. And there's a god awful amount of senseless running. Even the character creation was very very poor. Those lips... Good god! It was like rolling around on hot coals trying to make a pretty character. If you're racing through the game like that, I thnk you may be missing the point. Also, on character creation, I really don't have any idea what problem it is that a certain number of people are having with this. The character models and faces look absolutely brilliant on my computer, so I'm really confused as to what the problem is. You can add items to the quick keys 1 to 8 iirc in this game. add them to favorites, open fav menu highlight and press desired number. Only works for single hand use with the exception of spells, tapping the key 2x will put the same spell in both hands. tapping 1 for flames and 2 for sparks will replace the main hand with sparks, without adding either to the 2nd hand. Same with weapons. Also, this. Somebody already mentioned it was on page 7 of the manual. There's even a prompt that pops up early on in the game to tell you this. I was really quite annoyed when I saw people whinging about the apparent lack of hotkeys. Read the manual, or read the pop-up prompts. You could even Google it, if it's not too much trouble. Edited November 13, 2011 by Thatguykalem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappa45 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Well everyone can see that the characters are ugly. Most of the elder scrolls characters have started off ugly. I think why a lot of folks are complaining about ugly characters is that in the modding community we know that our game's characters look fantastic, I mean like a picture of someone...that good. We also know that it is very easy and possable for the devs to make their characters look this good as well without blowing up everyone's computers. If they had a will to make their characters and npc's look as good as the dirt textures then people wouldn't complain. That being said ,yes the characters in this game look a lot better than others in the series but we know how much better they SHOULD look while casual gamers and console users may not. Plus there is a difference between technical ability to make something look high res or realistic and making a person appear more beautiful/handsome,ugly,etc. Skyrim has the technical ability to make characters look high res./realistic...they should have made an attempt to make some of the models look beautiful too. I mean 9 different nord hair models for baldness? Personally, I don't like to play a character that looks like some evil troll especially when it's supposed to be an elf/fey? Edited November 14, 2011 by zappa45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoreai Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) I have to agree with the low rating here. I have already had several crashes to desktop for no real reason . My system has plenty of muscle and this game just crashes sometimes. The ui is the biggest disappointment though because Morrowind and Oblivion were games than were created to be modded from the start. It was a stroke of genius for Bethesda to include the construction engine with Morrowind. Now the modders and pc users who made these games more that just a play it today trade it tomorrow game are left wondering what is going on. If the Elder Scrolls Platforms go to console then no one will be modding at all. This is a really bad trend for a game who's most ardent supporters are the pc modders who love the freedom of Morrowind and Oblivion. We feel that with all of the time spent on this game by the devs. it should have more of what has worked in the past (ie object placement and drop for one, perfect with Morrowind )and less of what doesn't. While the console market is a big part of newer revenue streams for Bethesda most of the console users will get tired of the game and move on eventually. We modders will turn Skyrim into a magnificent and ever changing work of art that we will play over and over for years while constantly designing and tweaking new content. I'm glad that the console users will get a chance to play these games but designing the ui for only controllers is a disappointing trend. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel but they have only come up with a square. 8.5 is a generous rating in that light. My opinion only.I agree with you...also this article about Pete Hines saying that making games for pc is a headache kinda got me worried about where the tes series are going, http://www.gamefront.com/bethesda-piracy-drivers-makes-developing-for-pc-a-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-187273 Edited November 13, 2011 by pavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTemplar Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 ...Player maturity also rated lower than expected, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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