kradus Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 We should learn the Shout that Alduin does to resurrect dragons. That only works with dragons killed by non dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperAxilla Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yeah, that would make a lot of sence. Weak empire is weak, even if the stormcloaks lose the war it will be hard to handle foreign pressure. More armies are required, the dragons are one, and the thalmor keep giving the dragonborn trouble. Since Alduin brought the species back from extinction, it makes only sence that the dragons should be given a purpose after his demise and be put to good use. But, like I said before, both the Blades and the Greybeards would oppose such a motion. There's a lot of material in here, lets hope bethesda do it right. Seconded! I'd love to see that! (And root for the Dragons!) I absolutely hate the Thalmor (Arcano's behavior really made me dislike them). It's just the condescending tones they all have I guess. So when I bored sometimes, I break into the Embassy in Solitude and "Blizzard" wreck the place. And in Markarth I soul trapped the three Thalmors there right after I completed the Talos amulet evidence minor side quest. And I took back the amulet. Wrath of deadguy01 really broke it down well. I've played through 3 times on Xbox so far, and I just cannot bring myself to do it. Delphine & Esbern are far too pushy on the matter and I really like Parthunaax, but one of these days, maybe I'll do a saved game, see if I can bring myself to do it just to see what the Blades quests are like. Then go back and just load from where Parthunaax is alive. That may be one way to play or sample the Blades questline, but I don't know if it would require turning off the autosave. I'm not entirely sure. (I turned mine off for several issues). But still, that may be a good way to at least play through the Blades quests, just to see how they are. -edit- Side note: Whether Bethesda could add it to a DLC or if a Quest Mod with the CK could be made, I would love to see an expansion on this. Maybe a new quest with Parthunaax and the Greybeards going after the Thalmor ( a "Sticking it to the Thalmor" Quest). And you have the option of choosing sides (Know which one I'd be on :biggrin: ) They don't really wrap up the whole Thalmor issue in the game, and that makes me wonder if maybe they plan on having some sort of place in a future "TES 6". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 We should learn the Shout that Alduin does to resurrect dragons. That only works with dragons killed by non dragons.Yes, but I doubt Alduin resurrected the dragons from ALL the dragon mounds. And of course, there is http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nafaalilargus the dragon boss from Redguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettM Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 But still, that may be a good way to at least play through the Blades quests, just to see how they are.There aren't really any Blades quests, though, except bringing more recruits (if you haven't brought three before you get the demand to kill Paarth) and some "kill the dragon at lair X" repeatable quests. The Blades storyline is basically over once you get to Skyhaven Temple and see Alduin's Wall, so killing Paarth doesn't open up anything to do except having the Blades accompany you on dragon-killing missions. It really seems strange that Delphine is so fixated on this. The Blades haven't been dragon hunters for hundreds of years. They've been security, intelligence, and covert ops for the Empire. That's what Delphine and Esbern have been for their whole careers, and they sure didn't join the Blades because they wanted to hunt dragons because nobody knew that the dragons would be returning. With Alduin dead, the biggest threat facing humanity is the Dominion, and I would think Delphine would be more concerned with that since she's been dealing with that threat for years. As far as I'm concerned, if Delphine can't get off her high horse then she can find her own recruits, and they can all sit there in Skyhaven Temple accomplishing nothing until they rot. They're of no use to anyone under the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobwebmaster Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Well I also refuse to kill Paarthanax. Isn't there a way to avoid the instruction to kill him somehow?Whatever, the point as I see it is that you don't actually need the Blades to kill dragons. You as Dragonborn are the only one who can make it a final act anyway and there are plenty of others around who are quite happy to do the job with you. This is Skyrim after all where something like 90% of the population are so gung ho they're almost want to throw themselves into the dragons jaws. The companions will do it just for laughs. What about the blades anyway? They are a bunch of total failures so full of angst paranoia and obsessiveness that to be honest you are well shot of them. They failed to protect the Septim bloodline during the Oblivion crisis and, for anyone who has played Oblivion, their bumbling incompetence in failing to protect the Amulet of Kings was pathetic and they had far more Dragon lore at their disposal then . They failed to deal with the Thalmor threat effectively once they identified it. They wandered around Tamriel for 200 years not knowing what to do, and finally when they do get a chance to serve the Dragonborn in stead of advising as the Greybeards do, they start making demands based on their old, outdated and strongly prejudiced views. The blades contribution apart from escorting the DB to Alduin's wall is zippo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meh12345 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yes, Cobwebmaster, you can find mods for that (even in this thread, but it's probably better to just search on Nexus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robanybody2000 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Having Paarthurnax and a bunch of dragons for friends OR a senile old man and a stupid blade that knows only how to hide...not really a decision.(so what if he's evil, so am i) Edited March 23, 2012 by robanybody2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRavyn Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 What Wrath_Of_Deadguy01 said -- that pretty much sums things up. On the purely practical side, I think the Greybeards are a more important resource after this point in the game than are the Blades, which are a decaying, corrupt order, right in line with the Empire, itself. It makes much more sense to have the guidance of the Greybeards than the services of a handful of Blades -- especially since I don't use followers, anyway. The Blades have no value to me. Locations of Shouts do. On the purely moral/ethical side, Paarthurnax has sufficiently redeemed himself in my eyes. He's recruited dragons for the side of Good. What have the Blades done? Precious little, save disrespect both the peace conference and the Dovahkiin, while taking all the credit for getting things done. Esbern, you're OK, if a bit misguided. Delphine, you're a hag that seriously needs to be *censored*-slapped. Why couldn't Bethesda have given us the option to 1) rebuild the Blades to its former glory, 2) actually make use of the recruited dragons, and 3) forge a peace between the Blades and the dragons who sided with Paarthurnax? I guess that just makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettM Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Paarth states his intention to recruit other dragons to the Way of the Voice after we defeated Alduin, but it isn't clear that he has gained any followers yet. Odahving certainly has doubts that the recruiting would work, and he wasn't a convert himself. Paarth IS trying, though, and he deserves credit for that. I did notice that some time after the end of the main quest, Paarth returns to the Throat of the World and there is another dragon circling about overhead. It's kind of funny to stand there and watch Paarth swivel his head to watch the other. Who can say what's going on, though? Is that one of Paarth's converts, or a challenger working himself up to a dragon-style "debate"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AurianaValoria1 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) Paarth states his intention to recruit other dragons to the Way of the Voice after we defeated Alduin, but it isn't clear that he has gained any followers yet. Odahving certainly has doubts that the recruiting would work, and he wasn't a convert himself. Paarth IS trying, though, and he deserves credit for that. I did notice that some time after the end of the main quest, Paarth returns to the Throat of the World and there is another dragon circling about overhead. It's kind of funny to stand there and watch Paarth swivel his head to watch the other. Who can say what's going on, though? Is that one of Paarth's converts, or a challenger working himself up to a dragon-style "debate"? The dragon circling is Odahviing. That's where he awaits your call. Edited March 26, 2012 by AurianaValoria1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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