Game of the Year?

[Evilllamas]

Stop your wining.

The game is still fine, your save has been corrupted, which must suck- and I'm annoyed as you are at Bethesda messing about with the .exe to stop pirates- and you can't... I know that very, very well.

 

But the game world, and all the fantastic little details that Bethesda have created, is still there- and awesome.

It will only get better, with thousands of mods!

So while your waiting for your game to get fixed... make a new, different character- and experience this (far from perfect) game, in another way.

[Shantih]

The only way to control when a patch is applied is to keep steam offline. Back when I started playing FNV I thought that the option in the steam interface to prevent automatic patches worked and I was mislead.

 

Honestly I don't see that many advantages with using steam. As a gamer I like to be able to patch a game whenever I want to and especially not when updating means that all my mods are messed up in the process.

 

I don't care about achievements, networking and all that bull. Having to log in online to confirm an install when you've bought a DVD is silly. The only good thing is that once you're done you don't need the DVD to run the game but then you can't get rid of steam and if it was up to me I'd rather have the DVD in my drive...

 

So everyday when I start my computer I click on "start offline" because there is no way I'm logging in if I don't have to.

 

I don't understand the point in causing such problems for players who run steam online nor do I see the point in adding DRM to a game that has been released for more than a week. Seriously... That is preposterous.

[saldu]

Couldn't be game of the year anyways even if all issues were removed, since Skyward Sword is better, and that's also coming from an TES fan with >100h spent in skyrim. /crucify me ;)

[Dowly]

The point is this is what happens when you let companies suck you into installing a program like Steam, and give up control of your game, computer and privacy. What business does a company have keeping game stats of your game play on this program? or installing updates before a person can read about them and decide if they want the update for themselves?

It was well known that Skyrim would use Steam, it's everyone's own choice if they want to install it and agree to that. Also, there is an option to turn off automatic updates (which I assume you know, making your rant about auto-update pointless).

 

Not to mention, practically calling you a thief, after you've bought the game. Now you have to go online and prove to the company you didn't steal it. and "unlock" it after buying the DVD. What a load of Rubbish. And I see more and more Corporate nonsense pushing this technology. Yes I know you can change settings in Steam as well as start it offline that's not the point.

Almost every game has had somekind of method of having you prove that it is a legit copy. Be it CD key, online activation or a question to which the answer can be found from the manual (in the ooooold games).

 

This brings up other points... you've bought the DVD suppose you decide in a few years later to reinstall and revisit your game?... is Mommy and Daddy Corporation going to still be there supporting your old DVD and grant you the priviledge of unlocking something you've already bought a couple of years later? probably not, guess you'll have to keep buying new games, how convenient for them.

Your point is completely invalid. I started using Steam when Half-life 2 came out and I can still pop the DVD in and play it just fine, after 7 years. IF Steam would close it's doors at some point, they would be pretty much forced to release patches for their Steamworks games so one could play them without Steam. Same applies to other digital distribution methods.

 

Steam is simply an experiment to see how far they can go with this. If these type of Corporations, had their way you'd be paying by the hour, leasing all your games after paying your $60.00 for as long as they could collect it. Wake up.

Eh? How exactly has Steam pushed it in the 7-ish years it's been online? How Steam works, hasn't changed much during the years it's been out, so I don't really see your point about them "experimenting" with anything.

 

Want to see how someone is experimenting to see how far they can go? Check Blizzard and their pricing. :biggrin:

[Lachdonin]

I fail to see how i'm going off topic. You're the one who brought up the dependancy of the consumer base. All i did was explain how the consumer base in inherently dependant anyway, and how programs like Steam are positive in the streamlining of that dependancy.

 

If you're trying to pull this back to the patch (Which you yourself then stated was a non-issue) then fine, but don't try to blame me for going off track.

[buzzbomb]

Sorry for the rant guys, I drank a few too many beers while I was trying to get the game going. I will admit I was pretty pissed, though. I was unable to play without crashing within minutes, and looking at a complete reinstall. It wasn't a single save that was corrupted, I went way back and none of them worked.

 

Having to replay all that I've done so I can get back to the point I was at is not going to be enjoyable for me. It's going to be a grind. No, I'm not ready to try a different character track to make the game "fresh" again. I wasn't done with the character I had, and that's the difference. It's one thing to start a new game because you want to. It's another to lose what you've done and have to start a new game.

 

Right click Skyrim in steam -> Properties -> Verify game cache.

Take LAA out and use the new Skyrim4gb

 

Yup, tried that. All verifying the game cache did for me was to note that one of my files (it didn't specify which one) was not verified and download another and overwrite it. I lost all the ini tweaks I made, including the mouse fix, and the game still crashes within minutes. It's not as though I was the only person who was unable to play after the "patch" though. I'm one of the many "It didn't work for me" people, though I (thankfully) didn't post anything saying so. I replaced the ini files with my backups, and still I have same mouse problem as the vanilla and the game still crashes within minutes.

 

I'm off to redo the troubleshooting I did last night in the hopes I did something incorrectly in my alcohol induced stupor. It was a really frustrating and irritating five hours that led up that rant, but it wasn't really constructive or necessary (though I did have some valid points). Cheers.

[Shantih]

The point is this is what happens when you let companies suck you into installing a program like Steam, and give up control of your game, computer and privacy. What business does a company have keeping game stats of your game play on this program? or installing updates before a person can read about them and decide if they want the update for themselves?

It was well known that Skyrim would use Steam, it's everyone's own choice if they want to install it and agree to that. Also, there is an option to turn off automatic updates (which I assume you know, making your rant about auto-update pointless).

 

That is not correct, it doesn't work. I got screwed once back when Fallout New Vegas was still getting updates. The only way to turn off automatic updates is to run steam offline.

[Dowly]

The point is this is what happens when you let companies suck you into installing a program like Steam, and give up control of your game, computer and privacy. What business does a company have keeping game stats of your game play on this program? or installing updates before a person can read about them and decide if they want the update for themselves?

It was well known that Skyrim would use Steam, it's everyone's own choice if they want to install it and agree to that. Also, there is an option to turn off automatic updates (which I assume you know, making your rant about auto-update pointless).

 

That is not correct, it doesn't work. I got screwed once back when Fallout New Vegas was still getting updates. The only way to turn off automatic updates is to run steam offline.

 

It's functionality seems to vary, personally I have 2 games atm in my library that I don't wish to update and it works. But I have indeed heard other people having some issues with the setting resetting itself.

[dereko]

Dowly and Lachdonin,

 

your the kind of guys that would buy a house and allow someone to own the land its on, then brag to everyone how great the people are that own the land are being to you, when you could and should of owned both. Cheers.

Edited November 22, 2011 by dereko

[Lachdonin]

Dowly and Lachdonin,

 

your the kind of guys that would buy a house and allow someone to own the land its one, then brag to everyone how great the people are that own the land are being to you, when you could and should of owned both. Cheers.

 

I fail to see how you got that. I said that there is an interdependancy between producer and consumer, and alluded to the fact that anyone or anything that faciliatates and streamlines that interdependancy benefits both parties.

 

To use your crude house/land analogy (I actually don't think anyone should be aloud to own land, it should belong to the community and be used to the communities good) my arguement would be that the land owner depends on the resident to maintain the land, and the resident depends on the landowners good will to keep the land. In fact, thats hte fundimental concept of property tax.