So what I think may have happened to the Dwemer

[Lachdonin]

The Dwemer can hardly be considered the most vile race. With the exception of the Falmer, theres nothing to indicate they were less pleasent than any of the others. In fact, regarding the Falmer, we have no information past a book written by a scholar thousands of years after they dissapeared. Even Divath Fyr isn't old enough to rememeber the Dwemer, and Yagum doesn't give any indication that his people were unpleasent.

 

Regarding the Falmer, we know nothing of their relationship with the Dwemer before the whole incedent. We know the Dwemer took them in, but we don't know if it was out of a reluctant sense of kinship with the Falmer, if it was for nefarious ends, or if it was out of genuine good will. We also don't know how long it took for the situation to change, or if the Falmer had anything to do with it. It could be just as likely that the Falmer grew tired of marginalization within the Dwemer cities (Something which happens in ever refugee situation) and revolted, or if the Dwemer initiated the misstreatment.

 

Even then, and particularly with races like the Tzaeci and Sload, i think calling the Dwemer the 'most vile race' is a streatch, even if we assume the worst in all situations.

 

 

 

As for the Elder Scroll, as i pointed out, the timeline and sequence of events implies that the Scroll was not directly related. We know that when the 500 Companions drove out the Falmer, there was a time of peace. Then the Nords started a war with the Dwemer, driving them out of their holds in Skyrim, and proceded to invade Morrowind. The Dwemer and Chimer, united by Nerevar Indoril (A general who seems to have been Talos' equal in every way) slaughtered the Nords at the Battle of Red Mountain. A few decades later, the Chimer and Dwemer went to war, mostly because ot Kagrenac's hubris and deception, though the overall goals of the Dwemer were partially to blame.

 

Anyway, it was at the climax of this war thatt he Dwemer dissapeared. As such, the Holds in Skyrim had been empty for some time, meaning the Dwemer didn't have access to the Elder Scroll when they dissapeared. Yes. it is possible that the machine malfunctioned due to lack of maintinance. That said, i would assume that several thousand years of dissrepair would only have mae the problem worse, and nothing else has happened.

 

Similarly, there is a Mage in the College of Winterhold who tries to recreate the circumstances of the dissapearance on a smaller scale, to... Interesting results. All without an Elder Scroll.

[Matth85]

i think calling the Dwemer the 'most vile race' is a streatch

Perhaps. Power corrupts, and they had power. I'd be afraid of them either way.

[Lachdonin]

i think calling the Dwemer the 'most vile race' is a streatch

Perhaps. Power corrupts, and they had power. I'd be afraid of them either way.

 

I'd be afraid of them too. I'd also be afraid of the Argonians. And the Altmer... The Dunmer... The Nords... Really, the Bretons are the only ones who aren't overly intimidating...

[Matth85]

I wouldn't mind the other races. Well, perhaps the Orc would be quite scary. A green skiined hulk yelling at me would be ..... well, intimidating!

[Kardgar]

Regarding the Falmer, we know nothing of their relationship with the Dwemer before the whole incedent. We know the Dwemer took them in, but we don't know if it was out of a reluctant sense of kinship with the Falmer, if it was for nefarious ends, or if it was out of genuine good will. We also don't know how long it took for the situation to change, or if the Falmer had anything to do with it. It could be just as likely that the Falmer grew tired of marginalization within the Dwemer cities (Something which happens in ever refugee situation) and revolted, or if the Dwemer initiated the misstreatment.

 

"The Falmer: A Study" would argue otherwise.

 

An excerpt...

 

After their defeat by the Nords, the dwarves of old agreed to protect the Falmer, but at a terrible price. For these Dwemer did not trust their snow elf guests, and forced them to consume the toxic fungi that once grew deep underground. As a result, the snow elves were rendered blind.

 

Soon, the majestic snow elves were rendered powerless. They became the dwarves' servants... and then their slaves. But the Dwemer's treachery was so deep, so complete, that they made the fungi an essential part of the Falmer's diet. This guaranteed the weakness of not only their current Falmer thralls, but their offspring as well. The snow elves, for time eternal, would be blind.

But as is always the story with slaves and their masters, the Falmer eventually rebelled. Generations after they first sought solace among the dwarves, and experienced bitter betrayal, the Falmer rose up against their oppressors. The [sic] overthrew the dwarves, and fled even further down, into Blackreach's deepest, most hidden reaches.

 

For decade upon decade, the two sides waged a bitter conflict. A full-fledged and bloody "War of the Crag" that raged deep below Skyrim's surface, completely unbeknownst to the Nords above, a war whose battles and heroes must forever remain lost to our knowledge. Until one day, the war ended. For on that day, the Falmer went to meet their Dwemer foes in battle, only to find that the entire race had... vanished.

Finally free from the threat of their Dwemer overlords, the Falmer were able to spread freely throughout Blackreach. But years of fighting the dwarves had left them bloodthirsty and brutal. Feeling the need to conquer, to kill, they began mounting raids to the surface world.

 

And so the legends began. Of small, blind, goblin-like creatures who would rise from the cracks of the earth, in the dead of night, to slaughter cattle, attack lonely travelers, and steal sleeping babes from their cribs.

In recent years, however, the sightings of these creatures have become more and more frequent. Their raids, more organized. Their attacks, more brutal. In fact, one might even come to the conclusion that the Falmer are ready to change once again. Could it be true? Are the snow elves of ages past ready to reclaim their long-forgotten glory? Are they ready to surge to the surface, and make war upon the "light dwellers"?

If that happens - if the Falmer are indeed planning on reconquering Skyrim - I fear a horror neither man nor gods could possibly stand against.

Edited December 1, 2011 by Kardgar

[Matth85]

It's a sad moment when a elf race turns to a goblin race.

I'll hold on to the idea tha Snow Elves was awesome and Majestetic!

 

By the way, isn't there a statue of one of them somewhere? I remember reading that somewhere. Hm....

[Lachdonin]

As i said, the only source we have about the Falmer degeration comes from a single scholar thousands of years after the even happened. In fact, i said that almost word for word.

 

We are given no information regarding the relationship betweent eh Dwemer and the Falmer prior to the war with the Nords. We are also not given any time table, only a sequence of events. Were the Flamer given this fungus from day one? Did it take years before they were so poisoned?

 

We are not given enough information to make an informed decision, and given the obvious propiganda one finds in books in the TES universe, using a singular, third hand referance as proof of the Dwemer's suposedly sadistic nature is completely baseless.

[Kardgar]

It's a sad moment when a elf race turns to a goblin race.

I'll hold on to the idea tha Snow Elves was awesome and Majestetic!

 

By the way, isn't there a statue of one of them somewhere? I remember reading that somewhere. Hm....

 

 

Statue of Irkngthand is in a Dwemer ruin associated with the thieves guild main quest.

 

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Snow_Elf

[Matth85]

We are not given enough information to make an informed decision, and given the obvious propiganda one finds in books in the TES universe, using a singular, third hand referance as proof of the Dwemer's suposedly sadistic nature is completely baseless.

 

It is the only proof there is. We know it is written, though it is old. We also know that the Snow Elves live underground, loo terrible and seem to like to hang out in Dwemer ruins. Which means they were connected. We also know the Dwemer were technological, and could easily do this.

Wether it is true or not, is something we got no good proof of. We got a book, and we got common sense. We can then speculate. I personally believe the Dwemer did it. They had power, and they had no moral.

 

I still like the Dwemers. A little less after what they did to the Snow Elves, but still good. In the end, it is all about surviving, no?

[Kardgar]

As i said, the only source we have about the Falmer degeration comes from a single scholar thousands of years after the even happened. In fact, i said that almost word for word.

 

We are given no information regarding the relationship betweent eh Dwemer and the Falmer prior to the war with the Nords. We are also not given any time table, only a sequence of events. Were the Flamer given this fungus from day one? Did it take years before they were so poisoned?

 

We are not given enough information to make an informed decision, and given the obvious propiganda one finds in books in the TES universe, using a singular, third hand referance as proof of the Dwemer's suposedly sadistic nature is completely baseless.

 

To completely remove any weight or value associated with the work and call it no proof or out and out propiganda without anything to counter it is a stretch on your part. It should be taken like many other stories are with some truth and some fiction. However I would doubt its completely baseless especially given some of the other journals you find associated with travelers in dwemer ruins and torture chambers with falmer in them.