Skyrim CDT at new game / previously at exiting a cell

[Finxxur]

Hey guys,

 

I hope someone of you can help me, because I really don't know what to do anymore. I normally don't write in forums, because there are many already existing threads about the same topic or I can figure it out by myself, but not this time.

 

Yesterday the problem started when I tried to exit Volskygge. The game just crashed at the loading screen without anything popping up. I first checked if it could be a problem at the peak caused by "Konahrik's Accoutrements", but that couldn't be the case, because I also couldn't exit the dungeon on the other side anymore. I checked my Papyrus log and SKSE log and also my scripts, but aside from a bloated savegame, probably caused by Immersive Detection of NPCs (and maybe something else which I don't know of). I got the information from this page, if someone wants to know that.

 

First I tried to reduce the bloat with waiting 31 days in a small cell and using pcb, which helped reducing the savefile size by 8 MB. After that I checked the scripts with PTDWrapper, but even both procedures couldn't rescue my save.

 

So with an unusable save I tried starting a new game, made a new Merged Patch, Bashed Patch, FNIS, SkyProcPatchers, LOOT and then poof, CTD again. Well, not exactly, because I get the Windows message "Skyrim has stopped working".

 

I already tried disabling all mods, with and without DLC. I tried reversing my changes to the latest working savegame. When I use the normal launcher it just restarts the launcher instead of actually starting the game. I removed Skyrim.ini and Skyrimprefs.ini, just in case something went wrong there. I tried the WETrigger Error fix, but of course it wouldn't help, because this isn't my problem.

 

I'm using Crash fixes by meh321, have optimized ini files according to STEP and different other guides with similar or the same informations. I'm not even running any graphic overhauls except ELFX and ELE Lite. Sure my load order is huge and I'm running some script heavy mods, but this problem never occured before, and if I had a CTD before, I could always find and solve the issue.

 

The only thing left I could imagine would be a complete reinstallation, but according to many similar cases this also doesn't help so I hope that someone of you can help me before I have to do that.

 

EDIT: Just saw that I posted this in the General Discussion Forum. I'll post the same thread in the Technical Support Forum so this one can get deleted. Sorry

Edited August 6, 2016 by Finxxur

[HalloweenWeed]

Yeah, GL with that. There's a reason why we keep our number of installed mods to a reasonable size.

My advice to you is: in the future, only install the mods you want most, keep your list down to about 50 if possible, 100 at most if you really want to push it. And read ALL the descriptions carefully and go through all the posts for the past 6mos. to see if there are problems with the mod. If you do that, I can't see how you ever can manage to run that many mods, it might take a me a month just to do that (not worth it). Otherwise you risk problems like you have now.

Edited August 7, 2016 by HalloweenWeed

[woodsman30]

So the big question when you started a new game was it modded? a new game start should only include character mods. Your load order is kinda chaotic lots of patches not a fan of patches they can and often do cause issues. Now for mods depends on what you want to many overhauls causes issues... to many textures causes issues. As far as a number of mods to run there is no real ideal amount depends on your rig and also how heavy the mod is scripts ect.. my current play-through I am running 205 mods and have no issues. Plan your game is the best advice I give ...mod with care and pay close attention to what your trying to achieve and beware of conflicts and overwrites.

[HalloweenWeed]

The overarching problem is, people see ppl W/400 mods and think they can just do that, but not the same. One needs to play thru the game first with a smaller number and then add them incrementally with new playthroughs, to see what works and doesn't.

[jjb54]

A couple of thoughts: There is NO short answer to this, sorry.

Do not expect people to download your list. A lot of people are not "good" w/downloads from people they do not know because of virus and such.

 

It would be better to post it as "Spoiler" so they can open it here, if they wish.

 

* Because you posted a STEAM LINK.

 

* 1 of the biggest problems is STEAM. They update Mods w/out you knowing it and which one, as most do not pay attention when it happens, because it is done rather quickly. So if you get any mods from Steam - check and re-check daily - weekly all mods that you get from Steam.

 

Then the Mod Creator gets hell, when it happens, even though they DO usually state:

 

UPDATE - ( Date ) and the requirements of said updates. 90% of the time it will result in CTD's because certain requirements were not met, because the player is not aware.

 

END OF STEAM ISSUE.

 

 

Rule # 1 - Know your computer's limits.

 

I know, I know - Nexus is a "Candy Store" for game players, with: "LOOK AT ALL THESE AWESOME MODS!!!

 

As was suggested: Your very first playthrough - It is strongly suggest: >> NO MODS <<.

 

A couple of reasons for this:

 

1st - It gives you a great feel for the game and when you choose to finish, you have a better idea of what YOU want for your game play experience.

 

2nd - It gives you a great idea of what your computer can do.

 

Case in point: Several players, who have asked for help with mods, get asked this question first: In your first playthrough, did you experience any CTD's - Lags and such.

 

Some lower end computers - can deal with only a dozen to 50 mods and that's it. CTD's will start to happen and A LOT.

 

Some good Mid Range - Low High End Computers 50 - 150 mods, give or take.

 

Even good High End computers decked out with MAX Memory - Vid Card and such can go up to 200 - 250 and even that is pushing it. Skyrim is stated to " max out at 250 +/- "

 

Then you have to pay very very close attention to the Specific Mod Requirements.

 

You also have to PAY ATTENTION to mods that duplicate and/or come close to duplication as these will and can cause CTD's.

 

There was a few players that have several Armor Mods, which some " crossed over " and duplicated similar Armors and caused CTD's when the person would put 1 or more specific Armors on, because of the MOD CONFLICTS. Even weapons, can cause this as can certain Quest - Home and such mods, if they come close to certain CELLS that have Vanilla Quests and/or other MOD QUESTS.

 

So yes, you are going to have to do some homework and check out ALL THE REQUIREMENTS of your mods. No not fun, not fun at all.

 

Then when / if you get this done: You will want to use LOOT to arrange and sort your mods to their best load order. Understand this will have to be ' tweaked ' some after LOOT does it thing, as certain mods have to be " before X Mod " and/or " after X Mod " and/or " MUST be at the bottom of the load order. "

 

BEWARE OF SEX - NUDE MODS.

 

I do not care what one chooses to put on their computer, that is their computer and their game. But I cannot tell you, dozen up dozen of Skyrim Players who, after no small debate and such, found I was correct: Their sex / nude mods were indeed the cause of the random CTD's, I started to call the ScCTD. They will and do cause your game to get messed up and the only " cure " for this is to remove them and sadly you will have to start your game from scratch.

[Finxxur]

Hey guys,

 

just saw that this thread didn't get closed and actually got responses, and I actually "solved" the problem as you can see in this thread,

but because some people answered I'm going to respond anyway.

 

 

Yeah, GL with that. There's a reason why we keep our number of installed mods to a reasonable size.

My advice to you is: in the future, only install the mods you want most, keep your list down to about 50 if possible, 100 at most if you really want to push it. And read ALL the descriptions carefully and go through all the posts for the past 6mos. to see if there are problems with the mod. If you do that, I can't see how you ever can manage to run that many mods, it might take a me a month just to do that (not worth it). Otherwise you risk problems like you have now.

I actually never had problems running this amount of mods, aside from savebloat, which was caused by some of the mods on the "dangerous mod list".

 

 

 

The overarching problem is, people see ppl W/400 mods and think they can just do that, but not the same. One needs to play thru the game first with a smaller number and then add them incrementally with new playthroughs, to see what works and doesn't.

With 1361 hours of gameplay this isn't my first playthrough for sure :P I actually always added some mods with each playthrough and it ended up with this size, but like I said above, I never had problems like these before.

 

 

 

So the big question when you started a new game was it modded? a new game start should only include character mods. Your load order is kinda chaotic lots of patches not a fan of patches they can and often do cause issues. Now for mods depends on what you want to many overhauls causes issues... to many textures causes issues. As far as a number of mods to run there is no real ideal amount depends on your rig and also how heavy the mod is scripts ect.. my current play-through I am running 205 mods and have no issues. Plan your game is the best advice I give ...mod with care and pay close attention to what your trying to achieve and beware of conflicts and overwrites.

That's the reason why I don't play with any texture mods, not even the High-Res DLC, and even used HiAlgo boost. My GPU sucks and I care more for actual gameplay quality than HD everywhere, if I have to choose.

 

 

* Because you posted a STEAM LINK.

* 1 of the biggest problems is STEAM. They update Mods w/out you knowing it and which one, as most do not pay attention when it happens, because it is done rather quickly. So if you get any mods from Steam - check and re-check daily - weekly all mods that you get from Steam.

The Steam link is a list of dangerous mods, which is actually recommended to check, because these mods can cause your game to bloat, crash or even worse, although I have to admit that I used some which caused the savegame to bloat. If I would use Steam mods, I would manually add them into my manager and unsubscribe afterwards, so that Steam can't interfere with my mods. Aside from that, the last time I actually used mods from the Steam Workshop was 2013 I think xD

 

 

BEWARE OF SEX - NUDE MODS.

 

I do not care what one chooses to put on their computer, that is their computer and their game. But I cannot tell you, dozen up dozen of Skyrim Players who, after no small debate and such, found I was correct: Their sex / nude mods were indeed the cause of the random CTD's, I started to call the ScCTD. They will and do cause your game to get messed up and the only " cure " for this is to remove them and sadly you will have to start your game from scratch.

Now that's something interesting. Is there a link to this topic, which you could give me? I actually always used CBBE, because of the amount armors and HDT built around this bodystyle, but if it's that dangerous I have to think about an alternative. Would like to read more about that if there is something.

 

 

Thanks to all for the suggestions, even if this was in the wrong section, but just to make things clear: The cause of my problem was actually OS and HDD related and got me so far to reinstall Windows 7. I think the CTDs and other problems where caused by corrupt files in either System32 or SysWOW64 and from one day to the other I wouldn't even be able to boot anymore. Yesterday I finished reinstalling drivers etc. and now I'm reinstalling Skyrim and some other games :smile: luckily I could recover most of the important lost files which I couldn't backup anymore

Edited August 22, 2016 by Finxxur