LE Prolonged Civil War (May contain non-specific spoilers)

[rsanagustin]

Anyone else get the feeling that the questline for the War is too short, on either side? I would have thought that the radiant AI would have been able to generate more battles than that, or it at least, has the ability to, taking the same base scrips it uses for the encounters (on either side) and re-applying them to...fort this or fort that in the wilderness. Hell, why fight over a fort? Why not fight over a ruin, or in a field, or have the occassional raiding party outside the city since the Stormcloaks and Imperials seem to mind their own and (default AI behavior wise) dont seem to involve civillians in their fighting, though coming upon a group of stormcloaks or imperials around farms raiding for their crops and such would be interesting.

 

Either way, its going to take me a while to get familiar with the Radiant system, or at least, see if I can replicate the battles like they're done in the Civil War quest arc (IE, 94% of enemy remaining). Anyone interested in a mod like this, or better yet, willing to help?

 

Also to note...I havent finished the civil war questline, but I doubt Ulfric, Tullius, or Legatus/High King/Some crazy nord so-and-so are going to be handing out quests to mop-up bands of disenfranchised (and angry for such a short, decisively won war, obviously X_x) imperials/stormcloaks (after all, would Ulfric's Zealots/Just as zealous Imperial Legionnaires stop fighting? They do seem to have a shared, hardheaded, mutual, bitter hate going on; and neither side seems like it would be willing to roll over for a new high king/queen/grand puppet person either way.)...though, by all means, if they do, please inform me to the contrary so I can stop grinding my teeth xD

Edited November 26, 2011 by rsanagustin

[Draco856]

What I would like is a way that after your chosen side wins, if you don't like a Jarl of a particular hold, you can have a quest to remove them from power, reinstating the old Jarl, or a new one, but one who actually cares about the people of that hold and not just interested in their own agenda. This is my only real gripe about the post-war, Jarls who couldn't give a damn about the people they are ruling. I would like some more battles between the factions, but even after that, we need to do something about the whole situation, like for me at least, I never liked Ulfric, but always felt the Stormcloak ideal was better for Skyrim then a Thalmor ruled Empire, so I joined the Stormcloaks, ousted the Empire, and now am left with Jarls who care nothing about their holds so I killed them, and now have holds with no Jarls breaking the bounty quests for that hold, I also killed Ulfric and people are still acting like hes alive and kicking. We should have a say in who becomes the High King/Queen, as well as who rules the holds. I want a Jarl who cares about the people to rule their hold, otherwise what was I fighting for in the first place? I know it wasn't to put some power-hungry murderer on the throne, or to let Thalmor supremacists run free.

 

For extended battles, if we join the Stormcloaks, we need to have some battles with the Thalmor as well, maybe some where we have to protect a Shrine of Talos from the Thalmor who are coming to desecrate it, or a group of Talos worshippers are being attacked, we should go protect them, or just a random group of Thalmor seen on the road, we kill them too.

[rsanagustin]

What I would like is a way that after your chosen side wins, if you don't like a Jarl of a particular hold, you can have a quest to remove them from power, reinstating the old Jarl, or a new one, but one who actually cares about the people of that hold and not just interested in their own agenda. This is my only real gripe about the post-war, Jarls who couldn't give a damn about the people they are ruling. I would like some more battles between the factions, but even after that, we need to do something about the whole situation, like for me at least, I never liked Ulfric, but always felt the Stormcloak ideal was better for Skyrim then a Thalmor ruled Empire, so I joined the Stormcloaks, ousted the Empire, and now am left with Jarls who care nothing about their holds so I killed them, and now have holds with no Jarls breaking the bounty quests for that hold, I also killed Ulfric and people are still acting like hes alive and kicking. We should have a say in who becomes the High King/Queen, as well as who rules the holds. I want a Jarl who cares about the people to rule their hold, otherwise what was I fighting for in the first place? I know it wasn't to put some power-hungry murderer on the throne, or to let Thalmor supremacists run free.

 

For extended battles, if we join the Stormcloaks, we need to have some battles with the Thalmor as well, maybe some where we have to protect a Shrine of Talos from the Thalmor who are coming to desecrate it, or a group of Talos worshippers are being attacked, we should go protect them, or just a random group of Thalmor seen on the road, we kill them too.

 

I get what you mean. I for example, if I had Ulfrics ear, would have -never- let one of the new Jarls onto the throne...considering I knew how he would be running things if certain traits ran in the family. I think though, part of the reason for that is you're forced to account for your actions. I felt guilty as hell after ousting the ruler from Whiterun, because he genuinely cared for his people, and was a lot kinder/closer to my character than Vignar, though Vignar was by no means a villain or even a bad guy. Thats the essence of War though, one needs to be accountable for ones actions, choosing between evils, making the best out of the worst situations, and just the same, competant rulers were forced from their rightful dues by my characters hand. The Dragonborn isn't king, so I do think its important to retain the element of "Things changed - by the way, you probably arent going to like all of them."...after all, you're a cog in the rule of the leadership, and nothing more. You had no more say in who was going to be REALLY running Skyrim than you/the Jarls had a choice in the concordant the elves presented the Empire with. Good reason to go home and start a war, eh? Might make for an interesting post-plot twist, but Id like to try to make the plot as lore-friendly as possible, though theres plenty of small rebellions that never make it into the annals of history.

Edited November 26, 2011 by rsanagustin

[Draco856]

That's the thing, as a member of the Dark Brotherhood, I have the power to change the course of the world, and as I've all ready dealt with my choices in the the civil war, I would like to make sure things stay peaceful, because as long as incompetent Jarls rule their holds, there's always the prospect of a rebellion. Which gives me an idea, what if you were able to organize a new rebelion aganist Ulfric, after all he DID murder the High King, it was never an honorable battle between them, he may have challenged the High King, but the second he used the Voice, he forfieted the battle and when he killed him, he became a murderer, and I for one do not want that kind of person on any throne. I've all ready killed him, now I just need a way for the people to recognize that. More chances to switch sides would be good, for instance, we can for each battle choose which side is in the right, in Falkreath, the Imperial Jarl was self-serving, but the Stormcloak Jarl cares about his people, in Morthal, the Imperial Jarl cared, while the Stormcloak Jarl is self-serving, in Markarth, the Imperial Jarl cares, Stormcloak is self-serving, etc, the Stormcloaks have a few good Jarls, but a lot of bad ones, same with the Imperials. If we're going for a more unified Skyrim, we need Jarls who care about their people, that's all I'm really asking for in the post war, able to influence which Jarl stays, and which ones go.