CTD on saving

[Felix645]

Hey Guys,

 

Im just in the Quest for Elisif to bring the horn of her father to the Talos shrine. Up until there everything's just fine. I can save normally. But when I fast travel somewhere I cant save anymore. I've tried everything I could find by now. (Cleaning my save games, try that "player.kill" solution I found). Im really frustrated by now :(

So hopefully someone can help.

[Darkstyler35]

Hello,

• Disable and don't load autosaves, manual saving is more reliable. You can better control your saves integrity and decide to regularly make a manual save inside interior cells, with the less possible interaction with scripts, NPCs, etc...
• Use the /// Save game section. If it doesn't work, try eventually with previous saves and so on.
• Make sure you're using the good mods >> Dangerous mods list.
• Verify gamecache.
• Make sure you're using the latest USLEEP and uninstall your obsolete unofficial patches. If some of your old mods require them, you may use the USLEEP swap masters.
• Check the tools below, particularly /// Load order / mods conflicts + install crash fixes and uninstall your skse.ini memory patch or SSME.

Here is a list of things that may help stabilizing your game if not already been done. :

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".
• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.
• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists
• How things work in Tes5edit : load order / conflict looser - winner / Forwarding / adding as a master. More specifically, you may create a manual patch between two or more mods.

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page.
  Start Tes5edit, simply untick everything, (right-click/select none) and add only a tick to the esm/esp you want to check + update.esm, Tesedit knows what to do and will load all the dependencies automatically.
  - Begin with loading only Skyrim + update, ITM / UDR + save ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dawnguard, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Hearthfire, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
  - Then load Skyrim + update + Dragonborn, ITM / UDR + ctrl +s and close.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may also do a check errors.

/// Settings / memory :

• Ensure you're not using redundant memory patches, such as SSME, skse.ini; crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 enabled, or safety load. Preferably, use skse memory patch or crash fixes.
• Memory blocks log will help to refine memory settings.
• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.
• STEP INI tweaking wiki.
• You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.
• New SkyrimTools, (corrupt saves topic).

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

/// Useful informations :

• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit. depending on what's happening in game, choose the subsections that describe the best your problem.
• Skyrim requirements wiki.
• Skse installation : skse on steam or Manual install. (SKSE, memory and skse.ini). SKSE logs are here : C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE.
• Skyrim performance monitor.
• STEP troubleshooting page.
• Ensure your skyrim installation is healthy = Make skyrim vanilla again.
• an efficient guide to build your game : STEP.
• Crashdump analysis.
• Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors, thanks to Arthmoor.
• Need a tool to manage GPU fan speed that works with ENB ? You may try Afterburner. (tested)

Hope this helps.

[Felix645]

First of all, thank you for helping out :smile:

 

After I tried some of your advises and nothing really helped, I tried out an older save game and discovered that this bug seemed to be only related to that quest. So I teleported myself with the console command "movetoqt SolitudeFreeform07" to Elisif (just in case someone have the same issue). After completing the quest everything seems normal again. :smile:

 

But thank you for your post anyways :smile:

Edited August 16, 2016 by Felix645

[Darkstyler35]

You're welcome. Good luck with your game.

[Felix645]

Actually nevermind. I had the same issue again when i fast travelled somewhere. It is really only happening after I fast travel somewhere. I dont get it :/

[Darkstyler35]

You may try a selective loading, unticking all your mods and see if the problem occurs again.

• If no, tick again your mods by chunk of 10-20 untill finding the conflict.
• If yes, it can mean the problem remains in your savegame in a way or in another.

[Felix645]

It even occurs with no plugin selected except Skyrim + DLC's ... so I guess I literally cant do anything about it?

[Darkstyler35]

You may try again the save cleaners. The problem is that I don't know if after cleaning the scripts there won't be problems with your mods. It would be better to know if a script is involved and which one. In this case, you may enable temporarilly papyrus logging and try to reproduce the crash. Once done, post here the end of your papyrus_o.log in a spoiler tag.

 

Enabling papyrus logging : open the C:\Users\Utilisateur\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Skyrim.ini and Change the following section to read :

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

 

If the problem is a script, with a bit of luck, there may be some clue at the end of the papyrus_o.log.

[Felix645]

Cause I dont know what exactly the end is, I just copied some lines ^^

PM] [Campfire]======================================================================================================
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Campfire is now performing compatibility checks. Papyrus warnings about missing or
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] unloaded files may follow. This is NORMAL and can be ignored.
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire]======================================================================================================
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Detected SKSE version 1.070300 (expected 1.070300 or newer, success!)
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Loaded: SkyUI.esp
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Loaded: Dawnguard.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Loaded: Dragonborn.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Loaded: HearthFires.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Loaded: RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Campfire] Loaded: Frostfall.esp
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Integrity check complete. Removed 0 invalid forms from worn gear list.
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Detected SKSE version 1.070300 (expected 1.070300 or newer, success!)
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Detected Campfire version 108.000000 (expected 108 or newer, success!)
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: SkyUI.esp
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: Dawnguard.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: Dragonborn.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: HearthFires.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: SkyRe_Main.esp
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Loaded: WetandCold.esp
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall]======================================================================================================
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall] Frostfall start-up and compatibility checks complete.
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:19PM] [Frostfall]======================================================================================================
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM] [Campfire]======================================================================================================
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM] [Campfire] Campfire compatibility check complete.
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM] [Campfire]======================================================================================================
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM] Error: Cannot cast from None to SKI_WidgetBase[]
stack:
[iHUDControlQuest (41000805)].ihudwidgetscript.initialize() - "iHUDWidgetScript.psc" Line 38
[iHUDControlQuest (41000805)].ihudcontrolscript.startUp() - "iHUDControlScript.psc" Line 93
[iHUDMaintainanceQuest (41002853)].iHUDMaintainanceScript.startUp() - "iHUDMaintainanceScript.psc" Line 20
[alias PlayerAlias on quest iHUDMaintainanceQuest (41002853)].iHUDLoadScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "iHUDLoadScript.psc" Line 11
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM]
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM] =====Wet and Cold is finished refreshing itself and searching for addons!=====
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:20PM]
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:21PM] ~~~~~ Footprints: Running Maintenance ~~~~~
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:21PM] ~~~~~ Footprints VC: Checking if update is required. (Current Version: 1.000000) ~~~~~
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:21PM] ~~~~~ Footprints VC: SkyUI Installed ~~~~~
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:21PM] ~~~~~ Footprints: Switching to SKSE Footprints, SKSE Installed ~~~~~
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:26PM] VM is freezing...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:26PM] VM is frozen
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:26PM] Saving game...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:43PM] VM is thawing...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:47PM] VM is freezing...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:47PM] VM is frozen

 

Edited August 16, 2016 by Felix645

[Darkstyler35]

<Cause I dont know what exactly the end is> the end are the 20 last lines down.

if

[08/16/2016 - 05:52:26PM] VM is freezing...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:26PM] VM is frozen
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:26PM] Saving game...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:43PM] VM is thawing...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:47PM] VM is freezing...
[08/16/2016 - 05:52:47PM] VM is frozen

is the end, this is normal and correspond to the game interface.

 

So I'm afraid there's nothing else I can do about your problem.