CTD from unseen *No Crossing* Zone.

[Mereinid]

Hello all, I have been playing my character on Skyrim now for about a week. She is level 25 and I have not had a CTD one time. Other than having some stuttering and (very bad stuttering on a horse), its been running smooth. The stuttering slowed down some when I disabled all the auto saves.

I showed up in Kinesgrove to help Delphine slay a dragon that was being raised. As I left there was a small mine below the are where I just fought the dragon. I took a quest in there from a miner, something about his uncle losing the family shield in a cave while he was drunk.

Anyway, I left and headed out back to Whiterun. I run now and don't use a horse. Anywho, I am just passed the mill directly west of Kinesgrove and Fort Amol to my left. I make the right at the *Y* and begin to run up beside the small river with two waterfalls. Right here and right here only my game crashes to desktop...I tried going around the area..I crash CTD. I jumped in the river and swam up towards the two waterfalls. As soon as I was parallel with the road and the place that crashes me to desktop..blam to desktop I go.

I started a new game and I am already level 3 and about to head into umm...the first dungeon out of Riverwood..up on the hill..cant recall it for the life of me. No hiccups or anything.

The night before I played for like 6 or 7 hours straight, on my level 25. I did make some adjustments to my ENB, but they are the adjustments offered on S.T.E.P, so I could get some of the stuttering/lag down as it was getting worse. I use RealVision ENB and I have roughly 120'ish mods. Mostly graphics enhancements. I installed two graphics mods..Vivid Landscapes..and Skyrim HD parallax terrain. I enabled FixParallaxTerrain= to *true* in my ENB, like I was told to. My VideoMemorySizeMb was set to 2000 so I upped that to 4064, as I do have 4GB. My FixTintGamma= was set to true also and the ENB tweaks told me it should be *false*. Those are the only three things I changed. I changed the FixParallaxTerrain back to *false* and disabled the two graphics mods and also disabled some an Ursine *Witcher* armor mod I also installed.

It's still crashing at the exact part. It's like there is an invisible line that my character cannot cross.

I looked over the papryus log and this is what I am getting at the bottom..The Campfire compatibility check complete. happens before all of this. And everything below is just repeated over and over. It's fully 2/3's of the entire papyrus log.

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(4D08810D)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D0881D9)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 85

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D02D705)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D029043)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 81

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D088109)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D0881D9)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 96

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D02D700)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D029043)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 92

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D08810C)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D0881D9)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 110

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D02D704)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D029043)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 106

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D08810B)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D0881D9)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 121

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D13C3A5)].CLWShadowFollowSpecial01Script.TranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D13C3A5)].CLWShadowFollowSpecial01Script.OnUpdate() - "CLWShadowFollowSpecial01Script.psc" Line 58

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D02D702)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D029043)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 117

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D068B22)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.TranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D068B22)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.psc" Line 49

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D088108)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D0881D9)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 132

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D02D703)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D029043)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 128

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D1414B8)].CLWShadowFollowSpecial01Script.TranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D1414B8)].CLWShadowFollowSpecial01Script.OnUpdate() - "CLWShadowFollowSpecial01Script.psc" Line 58

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D08810A)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D0881D9)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 144

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D02D701)].ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D029043)].CLWClockObjectScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWClockObjectScript.psc" Line 140

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Cannot set the value of a constant GlobalVariable

stack:

[KillMoveRandom (0005159D)].GlobalVariable.SetValue() - "<native>" Line ?

[GBT_Main_Menu (150458B3)].grimymenumain.localLoadAll() - "GrimyMenuMain.psc" Line 8755

[GBT_Main_Menu (150458B3)].grimymenumain.importSettings() - "GrimyMenuMain.psc" Line 9456

[alias GBT_PlayerAlias on quest GBT_Main_Menu (150458B3)].GrimyMenuMainPlayerRef.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "GrimyMenuMainPlayerRef.psc" Line 13

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D068B1E)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.TranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D068B1E)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.psc" Line 49

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D068B23)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.TranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D068B23)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.psc" Line 49

 

[08/16/2016 - 10:30:33PM] Error: Failed to setup moving reference because it has no parent cell or no 3D

stack:

[ (4D068B24)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.TranslateTo() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (4D068B24)].CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.OnUpdate() - "CLWObjectFollowTargetScript.psc" Line 49

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I have tried to google parts of this or entire lines of this and small references are made to *no parent cell or no 3D stack* comes up or the *ObjectReference.SplineTranslateTo* that comes up even more, but I can find no answer to any of those as they reference mods I don't use.

 

I can post the whole papyrus list here & this started last night after I had been playing for a couple hours *with* the changes I made to the ENBlocal.ini and the 3 or 4 mods I installed, as soon as I left Kinesgrove, cruised past the mill there and Fort Amol, turned right and up beside the two water falls and small river..blam..CTD.

 

I have some screenshots of the place where I am crashing, I missing NO textures, the road, the trees, the grass, the shadows..look fantastic. But as soon as you hit that one world ending invisible line, its all over but the crying.

 

SO, I apologize if this is the incorrect place, I have this copied and will more than gladly post it elsewhere, but I am fairly confident its a mod issue..at the very least an ENBlocal.ini issue. Of which I have changed back, except for the videoMb one..i left that at 4064.

 

Let me know if any of you have any idea. I appreciate your time in reading this damn lengthy post.

 

Luck and Loot,

[Mereinid]

*Edit/Update* Right, so I loaded up an older game, this char is level 32, I fast traveled back to Kynesgrove. Jumped on my horse and road back to the spot to see if it would kick this character. Nope, I rode right through the area. Yep, awesome. Loaded my original level 25, whom I have saved just a few steps from the offending area. Moved forward..CTD...so it's only that one character...which blows my mind now....

[Darkstyler35]

Hello,

• <It's still crashing at the exact part> CTD in a particular cell / location. You may have some UDR in one of your mods, see /// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs. UDR = undelete and Disable Reference. One of your mod may have deleted entries in the worldspace section and another of your mod loaded after call one of these references and....crash. Solution : replacing deleted by disabled. Doing a selective loading can show you the culprit.
• You may have a script problem, try the scripts cleaners below in /// Save game.
• Make sure you're using the good mods >> Dangerous mods list.
• Verify gamecache.
• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit. depending on what's happening in game, choose the subsections that describe the best your problem.

Here is a list of things that may help stabilizing your game if not already been done. :

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page. You may use this updated guide to clean your masters. It contains the same automated cleaning procedure as Gopher explains in his video + repeating once for Dawnguard.esm + some selective manual cleaning.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may also do a check errors.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins buttons".
• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.
• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists
• How things work in Tes5edit : load order / conflict looser - winner / Forwarding / adding as a master. More specifically, you may create a manual patch between two or more mods.

/// Settings / memory :

• Ensure you're not using redundant memory patches, such as SSME, skse.ini; crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 enabled, or safety load. Preferably, use crash fixes or skse memory patch.
• Memory blocks log will help to refine memory settings.
• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.
• STEP INI tweaking wiki.
• You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.
• New SkyrimTools, (corrupt saves topic).

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

/// Useful informations :

• Skyrim requirements wiki.
• Skse installation : skse on steam or Manual install. (SKSE, memory and skse.ini). SKSE logs are here : C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE. SKSE troubleshooting guide.
• Skyrim performance monitor.
• STEP troubleshooting page.
• Ensure your skyrim installation is healthy = Make skyrim vanilla again.
• an efficient guide to build your game : STEP.
• Make sure you're using the latest USLEEP instead of the obsolete unofficial patches. If some of your old mods require them, you may use the USLEEP swap masters.
• Crashdump analysis.
• Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors, thanks to Arthmoor.
• Need a tool to manage GPU fan speed that works with ENB ? You may try Afterburner. (tested)

Hope this helps.

[Mereinid]

Thanks redeemer, I installed skyrim via the S.T.E.P. protocols, I have all of the extra utilities installed, Wry Bash, Loot, TES5Edit and a couple more up at the top of my Mod Organizer. I did create the bash patch etc, etc just as I was instructed to from Mod Organizer..I think it was the gopher video on YouTube. I uploaded my mod list to Modwat.ch here is the link to that ( http://www.modwat.ch/u/Mereinid ).

 

Last night on a whim, I loaded in the character and instead of running forward I fast traveled to Whiterun, it loaded it fine and I played last night for about 3 hours with no hitches. I am going to fast travel back to the mill there below Fort Amol and see if I can run through the spot. I did install the save game cleaner and it removed 14 erroneous scripts.

 

Thanks for the advice and I appreciate you taking the time to put all of that for me, I owe you a steak dinner if your ever down south-(US). =)

 

 

Luck and Loot,

Mereinid

 

p.s. I'll check back in a bit to let you know my adventures. TY!

[Darkstyler35]

<Thanks for the advice and I appreciate you taking the time to put all of that for me, I owe you a steak dinner if your ever down south-(US). =)> + <p.s. I'll check back in a bit to let you know my adventures. TY!> You're welcome and thanks for the invitation. Will follow your adventures with interest, happy gaming ;)