Exterior Crashes

[SilentAegis]

As the title says. Here's what happened:

 

I went outside of Whiterun and circled around. I found and defeated an enemy from the Inferno mod series. Then I went inside a building from the Mad Masker mod, a mod I've had in my game for almost as long as I've had the game. I went inside, bought, upgraded, and enchanted some items and finally left.

 

I proceeded down to a nearby bandit camp and attacked it. My follower got killed by accident. Went right in front of me while I was swinging. I reloaded a save which was back in the Mad Masker building. I attempted to go back outside.

 

Crash. I reloaded and teleported myself to Riverwood's inn. I attempted to go outside.

 

Crash. I reloaded and disabled autosaves. I attempted to go outside again which resulted in another crash.

 

I reloaded to a save before I ever entered the Mad Masker and bought the items again. I went back out and headed for the camp. A few minutes later, I crashed again.

 

Now, there's no way that the Mad Masker mod, yes while old, affects exterior cells or its items. But in a last ditch effort, I uninstalled the mod and loaded up my game. My saves then started crashing. I reinstalled the mod and my saves stopped crashing, but I still can't go outside.

 

 

If curious, I do use LOOT, my mod organizer is MO, I have FNIS, I use Wyre Bash, I have Tes5Edit, I have ENBSeries, though I do not use an ENB. I have the memory patch and safety load. I'm also playing on a new game I started not one month ago. My save game is currently at 13,439KB.

 

 

I'm at a bit of a loss. I've never been good with fixing cell crashes, so I thought I'd ask here. Your time is appreciated.

 

I apologize for the long post, but I felt that the more details I gave, the better the chances of fixing this more quickly.

Edited August 26, 2016 by SilentAegis

[mangarian]

What I do in those issues.

Make sure your auto saves are turned off like fast travel , after sleep and after so many minutes is turned off.
REASON: when the game has a lot of activity in a battle and the game does an auto save sometimes it has a bad save, you can google that topic on your own.

 

1. Verify you game files via steam
2. run loot. if you use that ( I use NMM and loot all the time)
3. run FNIS

4.1 try loading your save, if that dont work try loading an earlier save, and so on till one loads
4.2 try loading a earlier save that was a silent spot indoors, once in game then load that last save you made.

hope that helps, then start manually saving in locations prior to heavy game play before and after critical spots.

 

advanced:

If you got random cell crashes that could be a task hunting down a mod that causes that to happen during loading a cell your moving into like armor or quest or even encounter mods spawning stuff.

Also if your afraid to lose your progress there are "game save cleaners" they are my last resort to remove abandon scripts or arrays stuck and running in game saves. but that is a last resort risk for me.

Edited August 26, 2016 by mangarian

[SilentAegis]

Hello and thank you for replying. Unfortunately not much progress was made.

 

I already did disable autosaves. I ran LOOT and FNIS. Steam re-downloaded 5 files. I then loaded up the game. Once I did, I made sure to save and attempted to leave. I loaded outside with success and proceeded to head to the Bannered Mare.

 

Crash.

 

Maybe this will help. Here's what my SKSE.ini says. Apparently, the patch wasn't fully activated. I was missing a line of text.

 

[General]

EnableDiagnostics=1

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=2048

[Memory]

DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024

ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

[NotPlacebo].

GiveFirstBornToSheson=1

Edited August 26, 2016 by SilentAegis

[Project579]

 

Hello and thank you for replying. Unfortunately not much progress was made.

 

I already did disable autosaves. I ran LOOT and FNIS. Steam re-downloaded 5 files. I then loaded up the game. Once I did, I made sure to save and attempted to leave. I loaded outside with success and proceeded to head to the Bannered Mare.

 

Crash.

 

Maybe this will help. Here's what my SKSE.ini says. Apparently, the patch wasn't fully activated. I was missing a line of text.

 

[General]

EnableDiagnostics=1

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

[Display]

iTintTextureResolution=2048

[Memory]

DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024

ScrapHeapSizeMB=256

[NotPlacebo].

GiveFirstBornToSheson=1

 

[Memory]

DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB=1024

ScrapHeapSizeMB=256<--384 not 256

Edited August 26, 2016 by Project579

[Darkstyler35]

Hello,

• CTD in a particular cell / location.
• Try using crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 instead of skse memory patch or SSME. I f once you've installed crashfixes the game refuses to load, set ExpandSystemMemoryX64=false in enblocal.ini.
• Make sure you're using the good mods >> Dangerous mods list.
• Make sure you're using the latest USLEEP instead of the obsolete unofficial patches. If some of your old mods require them, you may use the USLEEP swap masters.
• Verify gamecache.
• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit, depending on what's happening in game, choose the subsections that describes the best your problem.

Here is a list of things that may help stabilizing your game if not already been done. :

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page. You may use this updated guide to clean your masters. It contains the same automated cleaning procedure as Gopher explains in his video + repeating once for Dawnguard.esm + some selective manual cleaning.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may also do a check errors.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins button".
• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.
• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists
• How things work in Tes5edit : load order / conflict looser - winner / Forwarding / adding as a master. More specifically, you may create a manual patch between two or more mods.

/// Settings / memory :

• You may also install safety load if you experience infinite loading screens or freezing in game.
• Memory blocks log will help to refine memory settings.
• Skyrim performance monitor.
• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.
• STEP INI tweaking wiki.
• You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.
• New SkyrimTools, (corrupt saves topic).

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

/// Useful informations :

• Selective loading : untick 50% of your mods, beginning by the end of your load order and test in game. Then depending on if the problem occurs again or not, increase /decrease the remaining loading mods to find the culprit.
• If you're using win8-10 + a GPU with more than 4GB VRAM + a heavily modded game and experiencing stuttering, random freezes or / and FPS drops, this may occur when the VRAM usage exceeds 4GB, read here for more details.
• Direct-x 9 C, 9 C update.
• In NMM settings, see where your tracelog path is (C:\Users\User\Documents\Nexus Mod Manager), open a request in the NMM open beta forum and post your tracelog.txt.
• Skyrim requirements wiki.
• Skse installation : skse on steam or Manual install. (SKSE, memory and skse.ini). SKSE logs are here : C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE. SKSE troubleshooting guide.
• STEP troubleshooting page.
• An efficient guide to build your game : STEP / Official S.T.E.P. Mod Organizer video series.
• Ensure your skyrim installation is healthy = Make skyrim vanilla again.
• Crashdump analysis.
• Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors / Enabling papyrus logging
• Shut down background programs such as intellipoint, fan manager, etc... Need a tool to manage GPU fan speed that works with ENB ? You may try Afterburner, (tested)

/// Credits : these persons deserve their kudos, (among others) not referenced here by an accessible profile but provide help with articles and other stuff linked above.

• Thallassa / Matortheeternal / Arthmoor / BorisVorontsof / GamerPoets / Gopher / TheCompiler (+ all the STEP team) / Luco81 (NMM forum) / Tannin42 /

Hope this helps.

[SilentAegis]

Hello,

• CTD in a particular cell / location.
• Try using crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 instead of skse memory patch or SSME.
• Make sure you're using the good mods >> Dangerous mods list.
• Make sure you're using the latest USLEEP instead of the obsolete unofficial patches. If some of your old mods require them, you may use the USLEEP swap masters.
• Verify gamecache.
• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit, depending on what's happening in game, choose the subsections that describes the best your problem.

Here is a list of things that may help stabilizing your game if not already been done. :

 

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Gopher's videos cleaning your masterfiles on the Nexus Tesedit page. You may use this updated guide to clean your masters. It contains the same automated cleaning procedure as Gopher explains in his video + repeating once for Dawnguard.esm + some selective manual cleaning.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT should tell you which plugin you should clean. You may also do a check errors.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T once and click on the "sort plugins button".
• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.
• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists
• How things work in Tes5edit : load order / conflict looser - winner / Forwarding / adding as a master. More specifically, you may create a manual patch between two or more mods.

/// Settings / memory :

• You may also install safety load if you experience infinite loading screens or freezing in game.
• Memory blocks log will help to refine memory settings.
• Skyrim performance monitor.
• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.
• STEP INI tweaking wiki.
• You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.
• New SkyrimTools, (corrupt saves topic).

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

/// Useful informations :

• Selective loading : untick 50% of your mods, beginning by the end of your load order and test in game. Then depending on if the problem occurs again or not, increase /decrease the remaining loading mods to find the culprit.
• If you're using win8-10 + a GPU with more than 4GB VRAM + a heavily modded game and experiencing stuttering, random freezes or / and FPS drops, this may occur when the VRAM usage exceeds 4GB, read here for more details.
• Direct-x 9 C, 9 C update.
• In NMM settings, see where your tracelog path is (C:\Users\User\Documents\Nexus Mod Manager), open a request in the NMM open beta forum and post your tracelog.txt.
• Skyrim requirements wiki.
• Skse installation : skse on steam or Manual install. (SKSE, memory and skse.ini). SKSE logs are here : C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE. SKSE troubleshooting guide.
• STEP troubleshooting page.
• An efficient guide to build your game : STEP / Official S.T.E.P. Mod Organizer video series.
• Ensure your skyrim installation is healthy = Make skyrim vanilla again.
• Crashdump analysis.
• Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors / Enabling papyrus logging
• Shut down background programs such as intellipoint, fan manager, etc... Need a tool to manage GPU fan speed that works with ENB ? You may try Afterburner, (tested)

/// Credits : these persons deserve their kudos, (among others) not referenced here by an accessible profile but provide help with articles and other stuff linked above.

• Thallassa / Matortheeternal / Arthmoor / BorisVorontsof / GamerPoets / Gopher / TheCompiler (+ all the STEP team) / Luco81 (NMM forum) / Tannin42 /

Hope this helps.

My god. Thank you. When I can, I'll do everything on that list and report back.

[Darkstyler35]

You're welcome, good luck.

[SilentAegis]

No progress. What I've tried so far:

 

Cleaning master files. Dawnguard had leftover records.

Reinstalling ENBSeries. Got the latest version and I'm using the Wrapper version.

Updating USLEEP.

Updating driver.

 

I just remembered. I had a problem just like this a few months back. And I think I did make a thread about it. I'll scour the forums and Steam to see what the fix for that was. I will also continue going through the list.

[SilentAegis]

Found the Steam thread. Apparently, I fixed it by ensuring the Left pane of Mod Organizer matches the Right one. I'm not sure how that could start causing crashes in game all of a sudden, but I will try that.

Edited August 27, 2016 by SilentAegis

[Darkstyler35]

See also the official STEP videos serie in /// Useful informations above, if it can help.