Inconsistent CTD on Startup

[LunierKnightus]

Recently I've started up a new modded profile on Mod Organizer for Perkus Maximus, since Ordinator wasn't as all encompassing as Perkus was and I can't quite seem to get it to run ninety percent of the time.

Crashes on startup nine out of ten times, which is odd and concerning, since it isn't completely consistent. I've tried working out my load order as much as I can but I must be missing something as I can't find the problem.

 

Hopefully someone on here might have better eyes than me and notice something I do not.

 

Here is my load order:

 

 

And here is my Modlist:

 

 

Note, I do have multiple profiles and have notices problems pertaining to FNIS between installs, with a small fix done by disabling and enabling FNIS mods on each profile before being able to run FNIS and fix your animations. Not sure if that is for everyone or I've done something horribly wrong.

[Darkstyler35]

Hello,

• Selective loading : untick 50% of your mods, beginning by the end of your load order and test in game. Then depending on if the problem occurs again or not, increase /decrease the remaining loading mods to find the culprit.
• CTDs troubleshooting page on Reddit, depending on what's happening in game, choose the subsections that describes the best your problem.
• Make sure you're using the good mods >> Dangerous mods list.
• Verify gamecache.
• Only YOU Can Prevent Forest Fires.

Here is a list of things that may help stabilizing your game if not already been done. :

/// Cleaning and correcting potential bugs :

• Clean your master files to eliminate potential problems : Tes5edit cleaning tutorial / Tes5edit documentation / Tes5edit Nexus page.
• The method above can be used to clean mods. LOOT may tell you which plugin you should clean.
• Mator's video fixing errors with Tes5edit. Merge plugins.

/// Load order / mods conflicts :

• Use L.O.O.T / Nexus page (& documentation).
• Create a wryebash patch including leveled lists.
• Create a merged patch with Tesedit excluding leveled lists
• How things work in Tes5edit : load order / conflict looser - winner / Forwarding / adding as a master. More specifically, you may create a manual patch between two or more mods.

/// Settings / memory :

• Preferably, use crash fixes with the UseOSAllocators=1 instead of skse memory patch or SSME.
• You may also install safety load if you experience infinite loading screens or freezing in game.
• Memory blocks log will help to refine memory settings.
• Skyrim performance monitor.
• Backup your ini files and delete the files. Skyrim.ini / SkyrimCustom.ini / SkyrimPrefs.ini found in C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim then use your vanilla launcher to autodetect and use best settings for your computer.
• STEP INI tweaking wiki.
• You may install ENBOOST >> ENB graphics / ENB haxx.

/// Save game :

• Don't uninstall mods at mid-game, there are no clean save in Skyrim but using save script cleaner can help removing orphan scripts.
• New SkyrimTools, (corrupt saves topic).

/// Meshes healer :

• Read here, this is potentially a cause of CTD that you can resolve by following the mod procedure on this page.

/// Useful informations :

• If you're using win8-10 + a GPU with more than 4GB VRAM and experiencing stuttering, random freezes or / and FPS drops, this may occur when the VRAM usage exceeds 4GB, read here for more details.
• In NMM settings, see where your tracelog path is (C:\Users\User\Documents\Nexus Mod Manager), open a request in the NMM open beta forum and post your tracelog.txt.
• 
  Make sure your framerate isn't going above 60 - use a fps limiter or the ENB limiter included feature or using your graphic card utility if you experience problems with the ENB limiter.
• Skyrim requirements wiki | STEP troubleshooting page | Crashdump analysis | Direct-x 9 C, 9 C update |
• Skse installation : skse on steam or Manual install. (SKSE, memory and skse.ini). SKSE logs are here : C:\Users\User\Documents\My Games\Skyrim\SKSE. SKSE troubleshooting guide.
• An efficient guide to build your game : STEP / Official S.T.E.P. Mod Organizer video series.
• Ensure your skyrim installation is healthy = Make skyrim vanilla again.
• Make sure you're using the latest USLEEP instead of the obsolete unofficial patches. If some of your old mods require them, you may use the USLEEP swap masters.
• Papyrus log is a scripts log only and doesn't cover anything else, not a crash log. Interpreting Papyrus Log Errors / Enabling papyrus logging
• Need to know informations about your harware, temperature, etc... ? Speccy may help you.
• Shut down background programs such as intellipoint, fan manager, etc... Need a tool to manage GPU fan speed that works with ENB ? You may try Afterburner, (tested)

/// Credits : these persons deserve kudos, (among others) without them there would be nothing above.

Thallassa | Matortheeternal | Arthmoor | BorisVorontsof | GamerPoets | Gopher | TheCompiler (+ all the STEP team) | Luco81 (NMM forum) | Tannin42 | I2edShift | ElminsterAU, Sharlikran, Zilav, Hlp | Meh321 | Kapaer | Sheson | Mnelson999 | Hadoram | markdf |/ Anton0028 | Wrinklyninja (L.O.O.T contributors) | Bcsp | Missjennabee |

Hope this helps.

[LunierKnightus]

My instance was running before the installation of two mods, Lanterns of Skyrim and Advanced Adversary Encounters - Ultimate Edition. After removing them, the instance still fails to work.

 

Here is my new load order, after re-running patchers, removing and re-enabling mods and other procedures in an attempt to find the culprit. I still believe it is a load order problem, not a mod incompatibility so I would greatly appreciate the help.

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Campfire.esm
WM Flora Fixes.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
MFVM.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
TKChildren.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
SkyUI.esp
Extended UI.esp
iHUD.esp
WetandCold.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
ELFX - Hardcore.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
AOS.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
VioLens.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
3DNPC.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Purity.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
CACO_AOS_Patch.esp
CACO_ETaC_Patch.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
FNIS.esp
FNIS_PCEA2.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
attack commitment.esp
TrueStorms.esp
AAE Ultimate Edition.esp
Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp
NPC_Overhaul_V_1_.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
ETaC - Complete ELFX Patch.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
OBIS.esp
OBISDB.esp
Hott Witches.esp
Hott Vampires 2.esp
Combat Evolved - Enemy Poison.esp
OBIS ApachiiSkyHair.esp
RDO - iAFT Patch.esp
ImmersiveSpells.esp
PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp
PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp
PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Complete Crafting_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
Immersive Whiterun.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
Immersive Solstheim.esp
CWIELnFXPatch.esp
LOS ELFX Consistency Patch.esp
hearthfireextended.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_CACO_Patch.esp
Hunterborn Campfire Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Cloaks.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
CACO_USLEEP_Patch.esp
CACO_RND_Patch.esp
RND_ETaC-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
Combat Evolved - Core.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp
Tentapalooza.esp
Frostfall.esp
OvensAndChurnsPlayerHouses.esp
OvensAndChurnsRND.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreatures+DLC2_Patch.esp
Immersive Horses.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
OvensAndChurnsMain.esp
OvensAndChurnsMinorInns.esp
SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp
EeveeFox.esp
Aurora - Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
CACO_3DNPC.esp
purity_aos_TS.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
SMIM-RiftenDocksRopesObjectFix.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext ELFX Patch.esp
Better Vampires.esp
Working Dog.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Vampirelordroyal.esp
Immersive Music.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
BloodmoonRising.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp
BVLT - Human.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp
Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
MainMenu.esp
Weapons & Armor_DragonPriestMasks.esp
Hott Interesting NPCs.esp
Hott Argonians - Standalone.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Hunterborn_WearableLantern-Patch.esp
SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp
SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp
SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp
SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp
SMIM-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
CCF_RND_Patch.esp
Clothing & Clutter_3DNPC_Patch.esp
dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp
AOS2_TrueStorms Patch.esp
TrueStorms-Purity.esp
BCS - CCOR Patch.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
AOS2_DD Patch.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks-3DNPC.esp
MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp
HonedMetal.esp
Order My Items.esp
Immersive Horses - Hearthfire Patch.esp
UsefulDogs.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
Scarcity - 10x Loot Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 10x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 2x Loot Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 2x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 4x Loot Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 4x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 6x Loot Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 6x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 8x Loot Rarity.esp
Scarcity - 8x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
Spell Light Radius.esp
TorchRadius.esp
Bound Armory.esp
HUE_VampireEyesFix.esp
PurityDN.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
BVandRB_Formlist.esp
XPMSE.esp
Immersive Speechcraft.esp
ERSO 26 - Realistic Fall Damages.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
TKDodge.esp
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
Thunderchild - Dragon Language Words Patch.esp
DragonLanguageShouts.esp
RDO - CACO Patch.esp
RDO - Immersive Horses Patch.esp
RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp
OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp
OBISCCOR&IA8.esp
TKChildren_DB.esp
TKChildren_HF.esp
TKChildren_V.esp
RedguardChildHairFix.esp
InkandPaperMerchant.esp
Pre PaMa Bound Armory Patch.esp
PerMaDefluffedPerkDescriptions.esp
Perma Defluff + Apocalypse.esp
PerMa-Hunterborn.esp
PerMa-CACO.esp
BCS - PERMA Patch EN.esp
PermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.esp
Combat Evolved - Stealth.esp
AAE_USLEEP_Patch.esp
Post_PatchusMaximus_GiantsAIFix.esp
AAE_WAFR_Patch.esp
AAE_AOS_Patch.esp
AAE_CACO_Patch.esp
AAE_DD_Patch.esp
AAE_IOS_Patch.esp
AAE_OBIS_Patch.esp
AAE_IW_Patch.esp
AAE_SIC_Patch.esp
LanternsOfSkyrimELFXpatch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
ETaC - Complete AS-LAL Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
PatchusMaximus.esp
ASIS.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

[Project579]

Load order i not right. Use this guide LOOT is not reliable when using Perma: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/753253-only-you-can-prevent-forest-fires/

Perma installation is not right.

Some mods are no longer needed/incompatible with Perma.

 

Perma Installation method:

 

Perma load order: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/59257/?tab=4&&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fskyrim%2Fajax%2Fcomments%2F%3Fmod_id%3D59257%26page%3D1%26sort%3DDESC%26pid%3D0%26thread_id%3D2213034&pUp=1

 

Can you please use modwatch so that it is easier for me to see problems on the load order and modlist: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/56640

 

My Load Order with Perma: https://testing-ee4f4.firebaseapp.com/u/Star579

Edited August 30, 2016 by Project579

[LunierKnightus]

Here is my load order with modwatch, I believe.

http://www.modwat.ch/u/LunierKnightus

 

Hopefully that should help while I watch this installation video.

[Project579]

Load Order directions (LOOT will not like this load order! You might decide to not use it):

 

Skyrim.exe

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Campfire.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

MFVM.esm

ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

TKChildren.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

(If you have mods that modify vanilla weapons and armors put them here)

Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

PerkusMaximus_Master.esp

PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp

PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp

PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp

PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp

PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp

PermaZONESLegendaryBalanced.esp<---- you will need to tweak some stuff in TES5Edit to make it 100% compatible with Skyrim Immersive Creatures; you don't need to do it to make the game work.

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp<-----Patchus Maximus (PaMa): Add Apocalypse to the PaMa block list. Apocalypse distributes its own tomes, scrolls and staves, and PaMa will add duplicates unless it is prevented from doing so.

Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp

Apocalypse - PerMa Compatibility Patch.es

WM Flora Fixes.esp

after those: (list comes from: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/753253-only-you-can-prevent-forest-fires/ )

To know what mod goes first or after inside the groups use TES5Edit too see conflicts and adjust load order.

#02: Bug-Fix type Mods;

#03: Game Structure and/or UI Mods:

#04: Character Appearance Mods (For NPCs and Self);

#05: Mods that Add and/or Change Locations;<-----Some follower mods do add new locations. For example, the Arissa mod adds a new cave as part of her quest line. In cases like this, Arissa, and any follower mod that adds a new location, would be placed in your load order along with anything that adds or changes a location, and NOT with mods that add NPCs.

#06: Mods that Add and/or Change Items;

#07: Mods that Add NPCs;

#08: Texture Mods;

#09: Environmental Mods (things like Climates of Tamriel, Sounds of Skyrim, etc.);

#10: Mods with Gameplay Changes;

Then:

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.espesp

Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.espesp

ETaC - Complete AS-LAL Patch.esp

Pre PaMa SiC Patch.esp

Pre PaMa Bound Armory Patch.esp

Pre PaMa WAFR CCF CCOR Wintermyst Patch.esp

TES5Edit Merge patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp<----Merge patches when possible.

ASIS - Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

All combat evolved.esp <---disable them while making ASIS.

PatchusMaximus.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp<----Included in Pre Pama Patches.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Project579

[LunierKnightus]

Well after running through the instructions of that video, my load order seems to be sorted as I have been able to play with Perkus installed. Thank you very much for your help and I even took some of your mods from your load order and started using them, as they seemed interesting.

[Project579]

Perma is a little bit finicky so you need it to be in the right places to work.

[LunierKnightus]

Yeah, my problem was that I was relying on LOOT for the most part to sort out my load order, where normally that works. Now I know it simply doesn't with Perkus.

[Project579]

LOOT is not really reliable when having more then 100 mods and it's even worse if those mods are like Perma.