Darnoc Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 Exactly. I don't remember the philosopher who suggested this, it was someone in the 20th century. Well, perhaps not exactly this way. If time and space don't exist things must be very different from what we can immagine with our four-dimensional thinking. Let me put it this way: Immagine yourself a twodimensional being living on a sphere. Because it is two-dimensional, it doesn't realize that it is acctually living on a sphere and now thinks that its "universe" is infinite. In fact it's just a sphere and the being is walking on the surface of the sphere, round and round and round. Perhaps it is like this in reallity: Because we can think only in our three- or four-dimensions we will never be able to see the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimVig Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 This makes me think... Do you believe there are more spacial dimentions besides our 3? Not just theoretically but really. Check out stuff about hypercubes or tesseracts on the internet for some interesting effects a fourth dimention could have. Now I find I can imagine a fourth spacial dimention to an extent, but could there also be a second time dimention? How would you imagine that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albareth Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 SimVig: A great number of scientists and philisophers consider time the fourth dimension, I do. Let me try to explain why... in my view, every single smallest particle (whether we know of it or not) of matter at a single point of time exists only like that there - and nowhere else. That is, that particle has a location on X, length, Y, breadth, Z, height and T, time. Change any of these factors, and it changes. That is a very real way of looking at things that has no real way of being disproven - it's just a matter of perception, but imo it's the correct perception... ;) As towards other spacial dimensions... I've heard some behavioral irregularities in various particle/wave movement indicate the particles/waves are in fact changing direction or encounting some form of resistance due to something that quite frankly is not there - and other similar occurances. Whether something like this - if that does in fact happen - proves the existance of another spacial dimension or if it just proves maybe we don't know as much as we'd like to think we know of the nature of the universe... I shalln't say. But I can say this - the possibility is there, and it's worth keeping in mind when exploring new possibilities behind the way the universe works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinduriel Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 Id say that there is one thing 100% sure. It is 100% sure to me that in some level I myself have to exist. But I cannot ever prove it 100% sure to anyone else. It should be 100% sure to you that you yourself exist in some level. Because I can't think of anything that have no causality in it. Therefore if everything have their reason and their cause. My doubting of my existense must have a cause and a reason so it must have come from somewhere. Nothing can come from nothingnes. If I can doubt myself I must exist in some level, like Descartes said "cogito, ergo sum". Aww too much thinking.. my head hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted January 18, 2004 Author Share Posted January 18, 2004 What is, when not you are doubting, but someone else? Perhaps we are all fictional characters in a great novel which someone is inventing. All our feelings, thoughts and everything else is just existing in this brilliant mind. Perhaps someone of you has read "Sophies World"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinduriel Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 Yeah well it really comes down to what we mean by the words "to exist". Does our dreams or toughts exist as does the keybord which im now using. Or does those things all exist at a different level. If we all are just in someones imagination do we still exist in some level? Is there a clear line when you stop existing? I think it is 100% sure that at some place, time, dimension or level I have to have existed, because I can doubt it. If I have never existed I wouldn't know what existing is, so I wouldn't know how to doubt it. I cannot be sure how I exist or how anyone else exist but I think I can be sure I have existed and still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted January 18, 2004 Author Share Posted January 18, 2004 Just immagine a such advanced being that it can think and feel for several beings at the same time. Now immagine that this being invents a world and plays the roles of every person living in his immaginary world. Now also immagine yourself that this being is so advanced that it can project his thoughts somehow. When this is true, what are we then? Do we really exist? Does a thought inside your head, does a character in a novelists head exist? I don't think that my thoughts really exist as seperate things. So when this is the case with us that we are only the multiple thoughts of a super-being, do we really exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimVig Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 I used to fantasize(sp?) when I was little, that my whole life is just a dream, and when I die, I wake up, live a day as long as a lifetime and then go to sleep again for another dream that consists of a whole life. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnoc Posted January 18, 2004 Author Share Posted January 18, 2004 But it is not just a fantasy. How can you really know that live isn't just a dream? Or how can you know that you are really what you are? When we are all only the inventions and thoughts of some higher being we wouldn't even exist. When we die, then it is just over, because the thought in this being ceases to exist and we do only exist so long as this being is thinking that we are. What for a horrible imagination... :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Thief Oriana Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 But it is not just a fantasy. How can you really know that life isn't just a dream? Or how can you know that you are really what you are? When we are all only the inventions and thoughts of some higher being we wouldn't even exist. When we die, then it is just over, because the thought in this being ceases to exist and we do only exist so long as this being is thinking that we are. What for a horrible imagination...It was some philosipher who said "I think therefore I am." That's how you know. People who say choices dont exist might be right, because you react to a choice in a reflection of your personallity. But you could have reacted differently, changing who you are, or merely your destiny if you acted that decision. Although im not sure if he means that he thinks he is a certain way and therefore is, that is how I percieve it. And thusly, how I percieve myself is how I am. It boggles the unsure mind, but willful thinking conquers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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