So ive been blocked for making a petition

[ginnyfizz]

For those who don't want updates to their steam games, you can disable automatic update download.

 

Also, just remember that anything you create with the Creation Set belongs to Bethesda. It's in the EULA. So if they want to start selling your mod they can. I don't think they will because it would damage the mod community that is a great incubator for ideas for the next game, but keep that in mind.

 

Disabling auto update does not work unless you also put Steam in offline mode, and sometimes not even then judging by some peoples experience.

The point about what you create with the CK belonging to Bethesda is in their EULA, but that EULA is as full of holes as a string vest. And even that doesn't apply to models and textures created outside the CK.

[capnfnx]

Just a thought, would this be a bigger issue for people if they only had access to their music or photographs or the entirety of their operating system if they had to check in online first, had to update and so on. This issue is really about the direction of the entire gaming industry and beyond. Comments like stop whining and take it but if you don't like it do something about, simply don't make sense. OP don't like it and he is trying to do something about it, you go boyeee! If you like the direction that Beth is headed and eventually a big portion of the industry, good for you, hope you can find reason to like it when it is too late to change but it effects you detrimentally.

[Wolves425]

Just a thought, would this be a bigger issue for people if they only had access to their music or photographs or the entirety of their operating system if they had to check in online first, had to update and so on. This issue is really about the direction of the entire gaming industry and beyond. Comments like stop whining and take it but if you don't like it do something about, simply don't make sense. OP don't like it and he is trying to do something about it, you go boyeee! If you like the direction that Beth is headed and eventually a big portion of the industry, good for you, hope you can find reason to like it when it is too late to change but it effects you detrimentally.

there is a difference between a petition and a list of complaints which is poorly explained, which is in this case what the OP did.

[capnfnx]

He was checking for support, for future action. Just sayin'

[RomeoJGuy]

as far as I can see OP didnt make a petition. He made a list of useless complaints because he had a bad experience or two with skyrim.

 

Besides its your own fault that you didnt have an internet connection in the first place, not Bethesda or steam.

Bethesda only want to protect their product against piracy ( not that it work, but most gaming companies do so regardless ). If you want to blame someone for the need to use steam for DRM, then blame those who download for free on a torrent site.

 

The only one who get support from this thread is "stumpndum", mostly because he is right.

Many times pirated software originally comes from countries that the software is not marketed/sold in to begin with. Then someone comes along and hacks it and distributes it legally in their own country.

 

Personally I believe that DRM is made more to discourage PC gaming in general than to protect a game... Name one single game whose DRM wasn't broken? However, executives believe that DRM will increase first week sales because it takes time for the software to be hacked.

 

But what they don't realize is that most people have integrity and if they believe the software is worth it they will buy it. Not everyone is willing to steal just because they won't get caught.

 

I don't think Steam DRM is draconian or anything. But it is inconvenient. You technically can run steam in offline mode once you activate the game though

 

The fact of the matter though? ALT+CTRL+Delete and check your task manager... Right now, I haven't even used steam today and it's using up almost 100mb of my ram while in the background/in the quick launch icon.

 

that is a lie, it only uses a lot of ram if you have the steam window opened at all since you started it. If you just start steam leave it in your tray and run the game by right-clicking the tray and choosing one of your recent played it only will use 5mb or less for running steam.... kthxbai

[xxxsleepyxxx]

xxxsleepyxx

Well said. Zenimax & Bethesda are interested in making money... That is their primary goal and the sole reason why they exist. Creating video games is only a means to that end. If they see that there is a large enough market willing to pay for something pertaining to their market they will capitalize.

 

The programmers, artists, writers and all the people who put their hands into Skyrim or any video game have very little, if any involvement at all in matters of marketing and money. These are the good guys... if they didn't need a pay check they could have sat in a room for a couple of years and made Skyrim themselves.

 

Zenimax, Bethesda and Valve would all love to reach into our pockets and get some more of our money... If they offer modders a 50% or even 25% profit on DLC sales then that would kill the modding community. If they were to legally restrict modders from distributing mods without using steamworks then people would simply resort to pirating.

 

I am a business owner, and I've learned through life and courses that people resort to theft either out of need or out of revenge. If an employer treats their employees unfairly it will result in the employee treating the employer unfairly. If a government can be toppled by disgruntled people then why not a business?

 

The problem though, is that the majority of the populace is made up of "sheep" who do what they are told without question. It is their character and mental capacity.

 

Thank you.

 

I, like many other people, have great respect for the developers, which i think is why everyone was so quick to bash the original post without thinking. It is not mental capacity, i have known some very smart people, bona fide genius, photographic memory etc, had opinions that seemed to have sprung from the intellect of 12 year olds, and just as strong. They all had one thing in common, they never shut up long enough to think and form an opinion that hadnt previously been suggested or laid in front of them. In no point in their lives had they ever realized or admitted to themselves that they didnt know everything. There is a lot to be said about things when appropriate, and i guess a million times more to shut up and think about. And toppling a business sounds glorious, but i do not want to do that :P i just want the mod communities freedoms to remain in tact.

Edited December 6, 2011 by xxxsleepyxxx

[drmfreezone]

Hard to read with that formatting but I agree...

 

Why bother putting security software on the game...when the pirates crack it so quickly? It's just pointless and only hinders we PAYING customers. I should be able to play my game without internet connection 24/7. Most ridiculous s*** of the 21st century.

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+1 Sad part is tho its going to be the way we game in the future and now,

 

 

Now just look at ubisoth p.c gamers say no to on line d.r.m and phone home to play any sp game

 

And boycott there games for all this d.r.m. rant,s ubisofts sails are down 95% on the p.c. games there sell plus p.c. gamers all so say on there ubisoft web-site that there

 

 

Boycotting the ps3/xbox360 games all so lol but there still use this phone home d.r.m. killing off there sails lol

Edited December 7, 2011 by drmfreezone

[thunderlord2200]

I disagree with them banning you, that's just dickish but your post should of been blocked since it's their official site.

 

I'm not just going to leave it these heres what I see they have a problem with.

 

you require a steam account blah blah blah

Never just cut yourself of mid sentence when petitioning, it lowers the value of your argument and is slightly rude.

 

I dont give a .... about steam

Don't ever swear or imply swearing, people can easily fill in the blanks and the above two reasons apply.

 

I bought skyrim and yep thats right.....could not even play skyrim for some time because I had to have a steam account.

Same sentence, but your doing a petition so sarcasm's generally not aloud, lowers the value of your argument and it's rude.

 

hold back the 1.2 patch because of the major bugs....but NOOO they still released it despite knowing it would mess a lot of gamers games up......no person in their right mind would take that risk......it could and has been ( for a couple of gamers I know) game ending and they have given up bothering with bethesda.

Just repeating sarcasm bad.

 

We all know about the construction set coming up, and now steam is involved, the amount of legal issues surrounding this are stupid.

Never say anyone's stupid, rude and lowers the value of your argument... what i'm saying here is if your complaining and trying to make it official you got to use language that you don't use with your mates.... polite english is called for.

 

We all know this will only get worse, bethesda will place restrictions on modding and there will be many annoying issues like you have to update the construction set at some point and OH NO its not compatible with the latest patch (which has happened in previous bethesda games, meaning your modding is halted / corrupted until the next patch)

You may think it's going to get worse but without evidence don't try to predict the future.

 

IF and only IF the patches over the next few months (including the construction set) continue to screw people over and cause more trouble than its worth this is what we do:

Mainly i'm pointing at the fact you wrote "screw people over", not suitable for a potition and it's bad to directly say that the people on the forum are directly trying to screw over their fans.

 

Set up a website, for people to sign a petition with this following rules

 

1. Those signed agree to no longer buy DLC / MODS or any bethesda games for the next 2 years

2. Spread the word across forums and other sites

 

This is probably the thing they had the most problem with, your saying on Their site that your trying to get people not to buy Their product's, and that you want to spread the word across the internet. I don't think i need to elaberate why this is a bad thing.

 

If bethesda continue to mess up the gaming experience for us, with apparently not even mentioning it on their website and I quote 'the 1.2 skyrim patch has gone off without a hitch'

Yeah right.....

Just more sarcasm, bad for petition's, bad for your argument and is rude.

 

The terms of us removing this petition are as follows:

I'm not going to post the entire thing because people cna just read it but anyway again I don't think I need to explain why you shouldn't demand things from the sites owners using the above "Petition not to buy DLC" like it's a hostage situation or something. Very bad.

 

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't do a petition, just make it more profesional and if you telling fans not to buy the sites owner's products your gonna get booted. Their a company don't forget.

 

i dont mean to but in so sry, but i always have and will b agesnt DLC instead of giving a FULL game they give u a very crappy/ limited/ect game. i want a full game. i understand DLC to keep a game alive, but dont over charge like they already are doing, they sould give atlest (like me thats pre-order them) give u atlest a few DLC worth of the 60 u paid for. (again they over change so having DLC should be free to make of having a half game or worse.. ) i have played a half game like Assission creed 2 where to get the fell story u had to by DLC from the start that should never b allowed.. but anyway. DLC should not be allowed to the point u dont get a full games like a lot of Game makers are doing.. OR all that DLC is already on ur game disk or site to reless with the game.. thats raw greed there and should not b allowed... (i hope this was good enough my English always been crap B/c of a learning disorder..)

[Dogders]

Remember when you had to verify a game by looking up Page 12, Paragraph 4, Word 15 lol?. I am not a fan of Steam although I have gotten some good deals off it, but it is what it is. When Fallout NV came out, I felt sorta the same as many and made my 1st post on the Beth forums in years, bemoaning Steam. Now, I suppose its not so bad but I would rather it be like the old days and let me install to any directory at the least but I dont understand any public backlash over it. Reminds me of OWS, while I agree somewhat with the message, the delivery is not well implemented. I dont see the point of it all. What do you want? Attention? A sense of worth? To right an injustice? Your constitutional rights are being trampled??

 

In the end, just like in the old days when I hated switching disks to play a game, I will end up enjoying it. Stop your complaining or take it elsewhere. That is how I feel. Nothing personal.

[syrik77]

I personally think Intellectual property rights go too far. If you buy something, idea or apple, you should own it. That said, Steam is probably the best DRM thing out there. They get their protection, I get to download the game to whatever I want, whenever I want as often as I want (as if I had the disc) and I get to use their memory for save games to hop platforms. I've used Steam for a couple years now and it's not a bad thing. Much better than the rootkits that EA installs on your computer. SO, can't support you and your fight against what is definitely the least of the evils that are DRM.