Do do daedric princes serve sithis in a way?

[marharth]

Since daedra are considered being the line down from Sithis(or his other name that I forgot)

 

Do daedra actually serve sithis in a way? For a example, the PC in oblivion is the cannon leader of the dark brotherhood, but also ends up being Sheorogorath.

 

Since Sithis is more powerful then daedric princes, shouldn't the PCs soul gone to Sithis without him/her becoming Sheorograth?

 

So what I am saying, is it possible that Daedra respect and recognize the power of Sithis, and Sithis simply trusted the decision of the former sheorgorath?

 

Probably spelled a lot wrong, so sorry.

[xlr8films]

From reading books and talking with NPCs (as far back as Oblivion) Sithis has his own Realm, The Void. Which is 100% not related to any of the realms within Oblivion. He is not a Daedra. And the Daedra appear to have no dealings with him. Edited December 12, 2011 by xlr8films

[LobselVith66]

Since daedra are considered being the line down from Sithis(or his other name that I forgot)

 

Do daedra actually serve sithis in a way? For a example, the PC in oblivion is the canon leader of the dark brotherhood, but also ends up being Sheorogorath.

 

I don't think the story makes it explicit that the Champion of Cyrodiil became the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, in order to avoid contradicting players who make the choice not to become a member of the Dark Brotherhood. The same way that Vivec's "disappearance" is blamed on the daedra during the Oblivion Crisis, but could have been the result of the Nerevarine killing Vivec during the events of Morrowind.

 

 

Since Sithis is more powerful then daedric princes, shouldn't the PCs soul gone to Sithis without him/her becoming Sheorograth?

 

Since the Champion of Cyrodiil didn't die in order to become the new Madgod, I don't see why. The Void is where the souls of the dead go, and the Champion who became a member of the Dark Brotherhood wouldn't need to die in order to assume the role of Madgod.

Edited December 12, 2011 by LobselVith66

[marharth]

Since daedra are considered being the line down from Sithis(or his other name that I forgot)

 

Do daedra actually serve sithis in a way? For a example, the PC in oblivion is the canon leader of the dark brotherhood, but also ends up being Sheorogorath.

 

I don't think the story makes it explicit that the Champion of Cyrodiil became the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, in order to avoid contradicting players who make the choice not to become a member of the Dark Brotherhood. The same way that Vivec's "disappearance" is blamed on the daedra during the Oblivion Crisis, but could have been the result of the Nerevarine killing Vivec during the events of Morrowind.

 

 

Since Sithis is more powerful then daedric princes, shouldn't the PCs soul gone to Sithis without him/her becoming Sheorograth?

 

Since the Champion of Cyrodiil didn't die in order to become the new Madgod, I don't see why. The Void is where the souls of the dead go, and the Champion who became a member of the Dark Brotherhood wouldn't need to die in order to assume the role of Madgod.

In dialogue with the summoned version of Lucihen Lachen(I can't spell that) he mentions the plot that ended up making you listener and also says you remind him of a previous listener.

 

While Sithis is not a daedra, he is considered to be linked to the daedra while Anu (the other creation god) is linked to Aedra.

 

What I am saying is wouldn't Sithis have a problem with one of his souls becoming immortal?

[Lachdonin]

As Marharth alluded to, there are two 'primal' gods, Anu and Padomay (Who is also known as Sithis). Anu represents stasis, stagnancy and order, while Padomay(Sithis) is chaos and more importantly Change.

 

With the exception of Lorkhan (Known to the Nords as Shor) and Talos, the 'Gods' are the "children" of Anu. No one is really sure exactly what being the child of a a primordial concept means, but thats a philosophical debate for another day. The Daedra (With the possible exception of Jygalyg) and Lorkhan are representations of Padomay. Thus, you ahve the dicodomy of the Aedra and Daedra, where the former represents order and stability, and the latter drives change.

 

I'd personall argue that the penchant for change amongst Mortals shows they are closer to the Daedra than the Aedra, but whatever...

 

 

Anyway, to the main point, the Daedra, more specificly the Daedric Princes, do not SERVE Padomay(Sithis) in a literal sense, but their very nature works in acordance with his personal temperment. The exact nature of the changes the Daedra bring may not match his particular plans, but to Sithis any change is good change.

[marharth]

As Marharth alluded to, there are two 'primal' gods, Anu and Padomay (Who is also known as Sithis). Anu represents stasis, stagnancy and order, while Padomay(Sithis) is chaos and more importantly Change.

 

With the exception of Lorkhan (Known to the Nords as Shor) and Talos, the 'Gods' are the "children" of Anu. No one is really sure exactly what being the child of a a primordial concept means, but thats a philosophical debate for another day. The Daedra (With the possible exception of Jygalyg) and Lorkhan are representations of Padomay. Thus, you ahve the dicodomy of the Aedra and Daedra, where the former represents order and stability, and the latter drives change.

 

I'd personall argue that the penchant for change amongst Mortals shows they are closer to the Daedra than the Aedra, but whatever...

 

 

Anyway, to the main point, the Daedra, more specificly the Daedric Princes, do not SERVE Padomay(Sithis) in a literal sense, but their very nature works in acordance with his personal temperment. The exact nature of the changes the Daedra bring may not match his particular plans, but to Sithis any change is good change.

I see what you are saying, but are you sure Sithis wouldn't mind his biggest worshiper becoming immortal? That and would the PC simply stop following sithis upon fully becoming a daedric prince?

[Matth85]

Sithis isn't a "god". More of a "force" than anything. The Daedra comes from him/it, but Dadreic Princes are not known to be loyal to anything.

 

What I am saying is wouldn't Sithis have a problem with one of his souls becoming immortal?

Sithis does really not care about anything. He/It knows in the end, everything comes to him. At one point the Daedric Princes will be slain, and at that point they will enter the void.

 

It's the same concept as in "Supernatural", for thoose who've seen it. Where death says "One day I will reap God as well". Everything goes somewhere, and so far we know that Anu got no reason to keep the dead, while sithis want to destroy creation.

[LobselVith66]

 

In dialogue with the summoned version of Lucihen Lachen(I can't spell that) he mentions the plot that ended up making you listener and also says you remind him of a previous listener.

 

I realize that the spirit of Lucien Lachance mentions the betrayal of Mathieu Bellamont, but that doesn't make it explicit that the Champion of Cyrodiil was the former Listener of the Dark Brotherhood. For players who chose to pursue that path, it supports the idea that their character became a member in the organization, but it's not overt so it doesn't force the Champion to have a history with the Dark Brotherhood for players who didn't chose that path.

 

 

While Sithis is not a daedra, he is considered to be linked to the daedra while Anu (the other creation god) is linked to Aedra.

 

That's an interpretation that some fans have about the nature of Sithis based on The Monomyth (authored by the Temple Zero Society), certainly.

 

 

What I am saying is wouldn't Sithis have a problem with one of his souls becoming immortal?

 

Considering there are members of the Dark Brotherhood who are vampires, I don't see why this would be the case. In fact, for the Champion who becomes the new Madgod of the Shivering Isles, he becomes the "Sithis-shaped hole of the world" (according to Varieties of Faith in the Empire).

[marharth]

Sithis isn't a "god". More of a "force" than anything. The Daedra comes from him/it, but Dadreic Princes are not known to be loyal to anything.

 

What I am saying is wouldn't Sithis have a problem with one of his souls becoming immortal?

Sithis does really not care about anything. He/It knows in the end, everything comes to him. At one point the Daedric Princes will be slain, and at that point they will enter the void.

 

It's the same concept as in "Supernatural", for thoose who've seen it. Where death says "One day I will reap God as well". Everything goes somewhere, and so far we know that Anu got no reason to keep the dead, while sithis want to destroy creation.

Daedra can't be slain. They are completely immortal, even if they seem to die they just return to Oblivion. Unless something happens in the future that allows daedra to be killed, no daedra will ever die.

 

As for vampires, vampires are a bit different since they can be killed.

 

 

The problem is that Sithis does care about some things. How is the night mother essentially immortal? It seems like Sithis had to do with it based on the lore. People worship Sithis and Sithis does take note of it (the summoned Luchien Lachen mentions he is in the void and he is with Sithis.)

[LobselVith66]

 

As for vampires, vampires are a bit different since they can be killed.

 

Simply because a vampire can be killed, doesn't mean he (or she) will be killed. Basically, I don't think it's an affront to Sithis to be alive. If the Champion of Cyrodiil "ascended" to become the new Madgod of the Shivering Isles, I don't see the problem. The Champion who served as a member of the Dark Brotherhood fulfilled his (or her) role in defeating Mathieu Bellamont and serving as the Listener to the Dark Brotherhood for a period of time. The Champion who was once mortal is now a Daedric Prince, so it's no longer an issue.

 

 

The problem is that Sithis does care about some things. How is the night mother essentially immortal? It seems like Sithis had to do with it based on the lore. People worship Sithis and Sithis does take note of it (the summoned Luchien Lachen mentions he is in the void and he is with Sithis.)

 

Our knowledge of Sithis is based heavily on interpretation of what others think, and the Spirit of Lucien Lachance provides very little in giving us much much knowledge about the Dread Father.