Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the Bethesda Stutter?

[BipolarOne]

I had something, but it was far too long. So I replaced it.

Edited October 25, 2016 by BipolarOne

[Bruhmis]

alright, finally a breakthrough.

running the game in sandboxie produced absolutely zero stutter. I stress tested the game for 20 minutes and I was completely unable to produce any stutter of any kind.

here's where it get's strange: after that, I had a feeling I should test the game unsandboxed again before I report my findings - so I did that. after upwards of an hour stress testing the game unsandboxed, I can confidently say that the stutter is completely gone, and I have no idea why.

the only thing I did that could have triggered the change was run the game sandboxed. I guess running the game in a new, isolated environment caused windows to correct some kind of error - or something along those lines.

anyway, I have to give massive credit to "purr4me" for helping me troubleshoot this, I don't think the sandbox idea ever would have occurred to me if it wasn't for your insight into this issue.

[Purr4me]

alright, finally a breakthrough.

 

running the game in sandboxie produced absolutely zero stutter. I stress tested the game for 20 minutes and I was completely unable to produce any stutter of any kind.

 

here's where it get's strange: after that, I had a feeling I should test the game unsandboxed again before I report my findings - so I did that. after upwards of an hour stress testing the game unsandboxed, I can confidently say that the stutter is completely gone, and I have no idea why.

 

the only thing I did that could have triggered the change was run the game sandboxed. I guess running the game in a new, isolated environment caused windows to correct some kind of error - or something along those lines.

 

anyway, I have to give massive credit to "purr4me" for helping me troubleshoot this, I don't think the sandbox idea ever would have occurred to me if it wasn't for your insight into this issue.

It must be the .net software then because that's the only thing that remains isolated from the system, windows did in fact cause the problems.

Now, the real trick is what piece of code was changed, that can be found in the event manager of the system control panel under admin apps.

 

what your looking for will be any OS related changes. But, it's academic now. Question: in your sand box folder, please inspect all data sitting in the box, mainly anything dealing with the OS use.

 

Or screen shot an expanded view of that folders contents.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Purr4me

[Purr4me]

Sandboxie does this, it draws into it all data required by applications needs and only what it needs, nothing else is accessed.

 

It does act like an asset manager.

 

But something had to have changed else where in order for the game to now run normally. Dam, I wish I was a fly on the wall.

[Purr4me]

use your ( " time " ) periods to gauge the error reports and or system repairs.

[Purr4me]

I could not get NMM to install into the boxie application and the direct issue was .net

 

we follow error code too, anything that stands out that refuses to cooperate, things that should work don't work just like direct-x.

If an application needs to access the OS system 32folders or access protected files and can't ? well we know where or at least an idea of what can be at fault.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Purr4me

[Bruhmis]

 

It must be the .net software then because that's the only thing that remains isolated from the system, windows did in fact cause the problems.

Now, the real trick is what piece of code was changed, that can be found in the event manager of the system control panel under admin apps.

 

what your looking for will be any OS related changes. But, it's academic now. Question: in your sand box folder, please inspect all data sitting in the box, mainly anything dealing with the OS use.

 

Or screen shot an expanded view of that folders contents.

 

the only files inside of sandboxie are a dxgi.txt log (because of the reshade preset I had on fallout, no useful information within), some steam files the game depends on - and the following .PNF files in DefaultBox\drive\C\WINDOWS\INF

 

hidserv.PNF

input.PNF

keyboard.PNF

msmouse.PNF

 

other than that, sandboxie mostly purged everything after I closed the game.

 

I took a look at event viewer, and for the most part there's absolutely nothing of any interest there. very standard stuff like user login and time synchronization. there is one message that stood out to me though:

 

directly after the sandboxie driver installation, there's a message that makes reference to Hyper-V

 

"The time provider 'VMICTimeProvider' has indicated that the current hardware and operating environment is not supported and has stopped. This behavior is expected for VMICTimeProvider on non-HyperV-guest environments. This may be the expected behavior for the current provider in the current operating environment as well."

 

it seems pretty normal, to me, but I thought it was a pretty interesting coincidence - possibly something to do with the problem of 9c not installing. you'd be a better judge of that than me, though.

 

 

 

[Purr4me]

I'll go through some of the logs on Microsoft ' database in Redmond and see what's going on

[Purr4me]

What Browser are you currently using as default?

 

What is it's current regional settings set for?

[Purr4me]

 

We have some of the industrial PCs with Windows 10 Enterprise (build 10586) installed for the testing purpose. In our environment, we have our domain controllers (Windows Server 2012 R2), and they are also the time source, and all of the Windows 10 Enterprise clients are domain joined.

We are now seeing a very strange problem that the date and time were automatically changed to the old date time when the OS was built. which is wrong. After restarting the computer, some of them might be correct, but after several hours, they became wrong again. We tried to manually set the correct date time in Control Panel, but after restarting the Windows Time service, the date time reverted back to wrong again.

 

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CMD under admin type this: w32tm / query / status

 

post results reboot and repeat. See if there is any change in results.

"Its really creating havoc since users can not work on ERP and other applications since it takes system date and time."

 

sense the game and windows both require "Time" functions to register where in the game your at and where to write the data "Time stamps", this would be what would seem like a stuttering event in the program while it runs.

 

tests conducted using video recording software resulted in a stuttering effect too. A simple application design to just record what's happening shows the system hesitating, traced to Time Hyper V synchronizations issues.

 

Currently looking through all the security updates...effectively the windows updates and non security versions from the [past 2 months.

 

This IS the only common theme between games and system wide issues I can find related to an issue of this sort.

 

Update patches meant for one system may have targeted the wrong system due to regional settings you might have..so to clear up where I'm going with this question.

 

Keep in mind, the Microsoft team is providing a virtual Environment for it's edge browser to separate the system from internet related things, this means there are going to be growing pains seen.

 

Why it's important here is because of the Time syncs involved, write, time based writes, patches, system OS is new too, could be a bad write as well.

 

It only takes 1 single file to waste a PC functions.