Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the Bethesda Stutter?

[Purr4me]

the stutter isn't consistent, I tried to record for long enough to capture some of the more severe stuff, but the video was getting pretty long. the clip you're seeing is one of the milder sessions I've had in terms of stutter - sometimes it will literally freeze for 3-5 seconds, and repeat that a few times every minute.

 

it does seem to be influenced by the loading of objects - but it doesn't *require* the loading of objects. sometimes it'll stutter when it's loading nothing but dead trees and grass textures.

 

and again, this comes back to the main point: the game is not supposed to be like this, it wasn't doing this to me a couple months ago. it might look "normal" in the video, but it's not.

 

 

I increased the movement speed to try to trigger as much stutter as possible within a short video. what ended up happening instead is the game just started loading everything very slowly.

well, the description indicates a bottle neck somewhere in the code. So let me ask this; do you own another drive? can you reinstall the data the same way on another one and repeat the issues tests?

what I'm getting at is there might be something"time related" going on, I have seen where a wait of a day or so makes or breaks an issue.

It might even be windows causing it too.

 

But, you are correct ,"A" game should not behave this way, lol, it is after all a Bethesda game. I have had my good installs and bad installs for all sorts of strange reasons.

GameBryo engines have this quirkiness. I bet this will not show up on windows 7 64 there.

I am going to show you what is happening in the background here all the time.

https://www.windows10download.com/peerblock/

 

what it will show is all the unseen activity you never see.

[Purr4me]

So, what is different today, then last it ran correctly?

[Bruhmis]

well, the description indicates a bottle neck somewhere in the code. So let me ask this; do you own another drive? can you reinstall the data the same way on another one and repeat the issues tests?

Yes, I've done that. the other drive is a standard mechanical drive - and testing the game on that drive produced the same behavior, only absurdly worse than before. these are very rough estimates - but on the SSD, I'd say I get 1 stutter per every 15 seconds on average. whereas, on the other drive, I get at least 1 stutter every 3 seconds.

 

despite my abundant knowledge of bethesda's technical incompetence when it comes to these sorts of things - what infuriates me enough to keep me searching for a solution is the knowledge that it doesn't *have* to be this way. the game ran stutter free for me before, and now it doesn't. if I could figure out what changed from then to now, I could probably help a lot of people with that information (and finally enjoy the f*#@ing game, as well).

 

I would not be surprized at all if microsoft were mostly to blame for this. ever since the day I installed Windows 10, their updates have always managed to find new ways to break things. I had a pretty sizable batch of updates installed before the stutter began so it's not unlikely at all.

[Bruhmis]

So, what is different today, then last it ran correctly?

Windows has updated a few times. that's really the only thing that's changed.

[Purr4me]

weather here has just gotten really bad, I need to make my kids their breakfast and ready for school.

No one can sleep

[Bruhmis]

weather here has just gotten really bad, I need to make my kids their breakfast and ready for school.

No one can sleep

I hope you don't lose your roof!

[Bruhmis]

I used my phone to record a short slow-motion clip to better illustrate what's happening during the stuttering.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByhiQyg4cWQ5RDdmaXpFaFpNRk0/view

[Purr4me]

 

despite my abundant knowledge of bethesda's technical incompetence when it comes to these sorts of things

We are on the same page, and that got me to laugh too.

Rage is one of their games, and it's engine does not exhibit these problems, so it comes down to the dev teams mistakes.

 

In Isolation's, we can run the game with no DLC's and attempt to see if the issue remains, from the discussion, I am assuming this problem remains.

 

My problem understanding the issue is that the problem was not there before, yet has shown it's self before , at even worse condition's...Just this game.

 

I can say this, I have ripped out the Ba2 archives, made loose files from Nuka's materials and came to find out the game will not load them, nor would the ck.

What that tells me is the materials used were made in different formats, or they changed in mid game production "methods" and just sold it that way.

 

I don't believe the engine Origin formats were taken into account. I do know from experiences with all their games, the data is a miss mash mess, not much is done the same way, it's all mixed up mess.

 

we can only target the exact items when we can duplicate an action, repeatable and on time, same place.

[EveningTide]

Windows 7 is Vista, and Vista hates fullscreen mode. Forgot that part. You haven't tried everything, because the s*** is still doing it. If you don't want to listen, or maybe you just think I'm full of shite. It's not my problem. I wrote the s***, you ignored it. Game over man, game over...

Err no. Windows 7 is Windows 7 lol. Nice Aliens reference though.

 

@At OP: just a thought.. try turning off shadows.

Edited October 24, 2016 by EveningTide

[Purr4me]

That video shows what I thought was going on, and you got it bad.

 

ok...all data I am assuming is installed directly into the data folder?

 

IF there are mods that used loose data, you will need to repackage each mods assets into ba2 archives.

 

What I can assume are mods from the nexus.

 

Badly made loose files will cause that kind of stutter in this game.

A raw game, with nothing but the very basic data from an install should not exibit this issue.

 

The saved game shows me all the mods that have been installed, so, an isolation IS required with what you have.

The ck needs to repackage all of it as IS now.

A lot of these mods were not made with the ck, they were produced with 3rd party tools, but the CK does have the ability to pack the data into archives.

 

it's not going to matter much if you end up with missing data, invisible stuff due to known garbage floating around.

what matters here is you end up with all mods you have / plugins..with their perspective Ba2 archives and "zero" loose files in that data folder.

 

Due to the nature of how and what installs all of-this, there will be some parts overwritten between all the mods, Due to that, your going to end up with duplicates loading from the newly created BA2 files. when every last one has been done, You delete the data folder only, refresh the steam cache ,and it will only place into the data folder the plugins / DLC require and nothing else.

 

As for windows, they increased it's telemetry to Home while online.

I hope like hell you know how to use the CK and correctly. you need to be logged into Bethesda before running the application, and before picking the plugins for it to load, you need to internally log in using the ck. This will allow you access to the downloaded security files used to repackage the archives building the mods with.

you don't have too many mods, and it's an elective as well, but that's the bottom line for Mods...as it goes.

 

No mods ? raw, and only raw default game files, should allow zero stuttering. But yes, it's really bad considering that's machines power. No way should this be taking place.

 

The ck needs to be launched from with in steams folder as a non steam game asset. Steam will act as a firewall from windows 10 influences for you.