Jackal2233 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Yeah, the broken patches I can understand, I don't like the patching process either, hence I do run it offline all the time (I'm still on 1.1 heh, only time I'm going to patch is when the CK comes out... but then I'll be p-ssed because I'll probably find some mods won't work :( ). I never had that problem of steam screwing up when offline, but then again I have configured it for pretty much offline play, disabling automatic online services and such. I guess the best way to use steam is to configure for offline lest I guess it's going to cause hassles. I admit I was annoyed at first too until I found out how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjimmyz Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Being in offline mode does not stop the huge drain on your system resources. Using that analogy I used earlier, all offline mode does is stop the thug from checking your documents every time you sneeze, it doesnt get rid of the huge dead weight sitting in your car for no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beriallord Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Why are there so many threads in the Skyrim general complaining about Steam? This is like the 15th one I've seen in 2 weeks. Sure there are problems with steam, and I don't like it either, but nobody here is going to do anything about it. Although I would like to see the Nexus community throw steam under the bus, its not going to happen. And its already been stated as such by the admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amycus Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Why are there so many threads in the Skyrim general complaining about Steam? This is like the 15th one I've seen in 2 weeks. Sure there are problems with steam, and I don't like it either, but nobody here is going to do anything about it. Although I would like to see the Nexus community throw steam under the bus, its not going to happen. And its already been stated as such by the admin. Note: All the threads about steam have the OP saying: "I don't get why everyone hates steam..."So there aren't lots of threads being created about steam - there are a lot of threads created about people who wants other people to stop complaining and talking about steam all the time. Ironic, I know. Edited December 15, 2011 by amycus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAPALM13092 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) I just don't like having to run it through Steam. Steam is a great service for buying games but having to check in like a damn child with the almighty Steam overlord to play my games is not. It is like everyone is guilty of piracy until proven innocent. It is not like it takes a long time to start up Steam but it is the idea of it. If you as a grown man or woman had to call the police station and check with them every time you wanted to drive your car so they could be sure you didn't steal it, the whole time an officer had to ride on the passenger seat with you, and they would randomly change parts out on your car whether or not you liked it, would you be ok with that? Maybe if companies spent even a tiny fraction of the time and money they do on restrictive DRM methods that hassle paying customers on things like bug testing, polish, more content, and fleshed out features that don't feel tacked on they would put out a better selling product and piracy would be a trivial financial loss in the grand scheme of it all. *end rant* Yes, I mad bro... Edited December 15, 2011 by NAPALM13092 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jy02521671 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Maybe if companies spent even a tiny fraction of the time and money they do on restrictive DRM methods that hassle paying customers on things like bug testing, polish, more content, and fleshed out features that don't feel tacked on they would put out a better selling product and piracy would be a trivial financial loss in the grand scheme of it all. *end rant* Yes, I mad bro... its not that simple, a game developer makes way less money than steam do, and we all know nowadays, money = power. when Bethesda want to publish their game, they have to go through steam. and steam forces all Bethesda gamers to have steam installed and there is nothing Bethesda can do about it. As the number 1 game distributer in both american and europe they have enough power to illegalise your game if you dont publish on their software. Edited December 15, 2011 by jy02521671 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadiast Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I just don't get it =/ many people here tried to help you "get it". Now I ask your help to make me "get" something. Why do gamers defend Steam? Now if Valve or its associates defend Steam that makes perfect sense because its their "bread and butter". The more people (can be forced to) use Steam, the more financial Security and stability they will get. If I were a Valve associate or would profit in any form from Steam, I would defend it against all Arguments, no matter how profound they are. If a Publisher like Bethesda or their Associates defend Steam, that also makes perfect sense. The least, they are bound by contract rules and they have a distribution Platform which sells quite well. So they actually have good Reasons to defend it also. Now to the interesting part, why do Gamers who do not get Money from Valve or the game Publisher or in fact have to pay money defend a Software that clearly and openly forces itself on them with no good Reason, does not prevent that what it says it should (Piracy), has a lot of features people don´t like and where normal, non-IT-Professional People need considerable knowledge to prevent (like Auto-update...check the forums how many gamers have problems with it) or turn-off and is overall a nuisance for those who do not wanna use it. In short; why do Gamers defend a piece of S.oftware that clearly and openly goes against their interests? If Steam were a optional Software I would not mind at all but what I dont get is, it FORCES you to use it (If you want to play superhyped game X, you must use our normally not needed Software...that is forced) it takes away a portion of your Freedom and you not only accept this fact but also defend it like it is your girlfriend or a family member. So If you dont work for Valve or a game Publisher or have no other clear Benefit from Steam and consider yourself a normal Gamer please help me "Get it" because it just makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal2233 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Well it's either this or Ubisoft's online-only DRM or EA/Bioware's disk-checks and online activation. Each has its pros and cons... well then again, Ubisoft is all cons. Personally I feel online activation is enough, and only steam gives me that, no disk-checks and an offline-mode after activation. However, before I upgraded my computer I did notice steam using system resources which I felt was rather un-needed when I needed every last bit of FPS I could squeeze out, and so I sided with Bioware's stance with old-school disc-checks. After upgrading however, I got used to never switching CDs. Steam isn't not perfect but it's better then the alternatives for me nowadays, but after tweaking of course. I still remember though the early DRM measures, remember Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis? They put a puzzle before you started the game and the solution to the puzzle is found only in the manual. Heh, and no, never has DRM ever stopped piracy. Yet this "guilty" until proven innocent scheme has occured since the early days of gaming, it's a nuisance but meh. non-IT-Professional People need considerable knowledge to prevent (like Auto-update...check the forums how many gamers have problems with it) or turn-off and is overall a nuisance for those who do not wanna use it. That's true, I felt like I was fighting against the system when I was tweaking it for offline use only when I first encountered it, and they offered no proper documentation to help gamers like me tweak it for offline use, we have to go through forums and ask for help. It's like they assume everyone is online all the time, even us Aussies =/ Edited December 15, 2011 by Jackal2233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireBug3 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) its not that simple, a game developer makes way less money than steam do, and we all know nowadays, money = power. when Bethesda want to publish their game, they have to go through steam. and steam forces all Bethesda gamers to have steam installed and there is nothing Bethesda can do about it. As the number 1 game distributer in both american and europe they have enough power to illegalise your game if you dont publish on their software.Origin is kicking steams ass right now, having all the top games like batman ac and bf3 and at some point they both will be f*ed by onlive anyway. Edited December 15, 2011 by FireBug3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvinkun Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) If you like Steam and have no problem with it whatsoever... Good for you, but just because you don't like freedom and having control over your own computer, don't go flashing it around :tongue: The person with car and security guard summed it up pretty well. Edited December 15, 2011 by elvinkun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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