Skyrim and Steam...

[Kayvaan7472]

if it isn't steam what do you want?

Ubisoft's and Blizzard 's always online crap?

 

i don't like Steam, if you buy a game in your country install it on a laptop then go overseas with your laptop steam would refuse to let you play saying that you are in a different region

[Brittainy]

I fail to see why those of us who dislike Steam are being written off as Trolls :dry:

 

I'm not telling anyone else they should hate it.

 

The author of this thread said they don't 'get' why so many of us can't stand Steam, so we've thrown in our reasons. Plenty of us have valid reasons for loathing it. No one is trying to persuade people who like it to stop liking it.

 

Frankly, it would be a hell of a lot easier if we could make ourselves like it. It's not as though we get any benefit from hating it...quite the opposite, in fact.

 

For anyone passionate about gaming and who has the misfortune to have major issues with Steam, it's incredibly frustrating.

 

Gave it a fair go and got nothing but trouble and hassles.

 

I'm entitled to hate it as much as other people are entitled to adore it.

 

:yes:

[Thoreai]

From experience and browsing many threads, usually the real trolls are the people who dont have problems with steam or skyrim or w/e.

 

They make a thread where they state they dont understand why people are having issues, when there are many topics made about them, wich already tells me they have a wall before their eyes.

 

These threads are solely made only for pushing their opinion on others, best part is many times they dont even realize it themselfs, they have that urge to tell everyone to chill off and stop making antipropaganda on steam/skyrim/whatever, to stop whine about this and that, while doing exactly the same.

 

Whatever you say they twist your original idea and use it against you...then you end up having a 30page thread where are people catching eachothers words, in a neverending circle.

 

Better just to ignore these topics.

[Pineapplerum]

From experience and browsing many threads, usually the real trolls are the people who dont have problems with steam or skyrim or w/e.

 

They make a thread where they state they dont understand why people are having issues, when there are many topics made about them, wich already tells me they have a wall before their eyes.

 

These threads are solely made only for pushing their opinion on others, best part is many times they dont even realize it themselfs, they have that urge to tell everyone to chill off and stop making antipropaganda on steam/skyrim/whatever, to stop whine about this and that, while doing exactly the same.

 

Whatever you say they twist your original idea and use it against you...then you end up having a 30page thread where are people catching eachothers words, in a neverending circle.

 

Better just to ignore these topics.

 

 

So, if I don't have issues with Steam and say as such than I'm a troll? Really? Hmmm.

[Thoreai]

If you have many threads made by people being frustrated with steam and having issues and you still dont understand them, then what else are you?

 

Here you have a 6 pages long thread where people are talking about all their worries and issues with steam and you still dont understand...if that isnt having a wall before your eyes then what ?

 

Ah right, becouse you dont have a problem with steam noone should.

 

Its about understanding more then just yourself and your opinion.

 

"i dont understand" is already a clear statement, where the problem isnt that you dont understand (since people clearly state having problems, writting it here), you just continue ignoring everything.

 

They key word here is 'i'.

 

But you probably wont understand that, right...so im waiting how you going to twist the meaning of my post.

Edited December 17, 2011 by pavy

[AbleGnome]

First, I don't like Steam cutting in line between me and my purchase, prohibiting me, in fact, from even owning it, if I don't make a pact with them. Or, is Steam working for Bethesda and this is their business model? Either way, it is hijacking.

 

Next, I'm one of those who has had absolutely no problems with the install, patches, updates, nothing. That is not to Steam's credit. It is probably just luck. But I don't have to hate them because of broken patches. I hate them for their sleazy, mandatory, Berlin Wall-like intrusion into our private gaming lives. And guess which side of the wall we are on. If you said the side with freedom, you'd be wrong.

 

As many of you have said, where is the value in Steam? What does it bring to the table for the gamer who bought the ever-more-expensive games? We know that the developer gets value, as well as a trapped audience, but what do the gamers receive for surrendering control of the property they own?

 

Personally, I don't find it a confusing and burdensome task to slide in a DVD. Come on now, please. The only reason to like Steam is that you like others to tell you what to do. And if you can't find your game DVD, maybe it is time to clean up your room. (Just kidding around the DVD comment. I know we're all on edge here) The point is that Steam is not out to make our gaming life idyllic and wonderful. Sure, we don't have to put in the DVD (which, by the way, you can also remove), but we need to permanently install and run Steam. Craziness.

 

Steam insinuated itself between us and our entertainment. It is a requirement to use Steam to play our own single-player games. This boggles the mind. It should be illegal, unless Steam offers us value that we agree to trade away for our freedom.

 

It is just unjust and not fair to us. That's why you all are railing about all the various points. It is just not fair and there is nothing we can do about it, apparently.

[ginnyfizz]

Personally, I don't find it a confusing and burdensome task to slide in a DVD. Come on now, please. The only reason to like Steam is that you like others to tell you what to do. And if you can't find your game DVD, maybe it is time to clean up your room. (Just kidding around the DVD comment. I know we're all on edge here) The point is that Steam is not out to make our gaming life idyllic and wonderful. Sure, we don't have to put in the DVD (which, by the way, you can also remove), but we need to permanently install and run Steam. Craziness.

 

Steam insinuated itself between us and our entertainment. It is a requirement to use Steam to play our own single-player games. This boggles the mind. It should be illegal, unless Steam offers us value that we agree to trade away for our freedom.

 

It is just unjust and not fair to us. That's why you all are railing about all the various points. It is just not fair and there is nothing we can do about it, apparently.

 

This.

 

I would rather have the Oblivion style disc check, doesn't take a moment to touch the button, open the drive, shove disc in, close drive, play.

[Brittainy]

Very well said, AbleGnome.

 

However, there IS something to be done about it: I'm never making the mistake of buying a game that relies on Steam again. If that means I miss out on a lot of games, so be it. I really regret caving in and buying Skyrim and installing Steam. The pair are getting wiped off my pc today.

 

Won't be making that mistake ever again.

[PR4Y]

Very well said, AbleGnome.

 

However, there IS something to be done about it: I'm never making the mistake of buying a game that relies on Steam again. If that means I miss out on a lot of games, so be it. I really regret caving in and buying Skyrim and installing Steam. The pair are getting wiped off my pc today.

 

Won't be making that mistake ever again.

 

 

if you are so miserable about skyrim and steam... then leave? a few of us skyrim fans want to talk about skyrim on the skyrim forums... not about why steam hurts your e-feelings.

[macole]

all of your argument claiming that my _OPINIONS_ are wrong are simply that... OPINIONS.

 

i actually have read every single post on this topic... i'm not going to go back through them and quote every single post, but there are quite a few people who have clearly just jumped on the "I HATE STEAM" bandwagon with no legit reason.

 

 

I can understand people having concerns about steam in regards to b/w usage... until you introduce the fact that you aren't required to be online on steam 24/7... you can play skyrim 100% offline if you choose. all you have to do is set steam to offline mode then set it to not load on startup. I realize that it still queries the servers to validate you have a legit copy of skyrim, but that is like 50 packets of data, at MOST. 50. packets. i send / receive about 2billion packets per DAY. how, in gods name, this is a viable argument is beyond me... because I'm 99% sure that NONE of you have actually loaded up a program like WireShark or something that actually tracks how much bandwidth steam uses.

 

 

And who gives a fork about clans and social networks? I bought a single-player game. Sin-gle-pla-yer.

 

People? Different views on certain things don't make you right or the other person right... they are opinions. Stop pushing your views as the be-all-see-all of what is right and wrong with steam.

 

 

 

life lesson>just because you like something doesn't make it good automatically, your decision making ability shouldn't be set in stone once you like something. to defend it at all costs as if your survival depends on you being right in what you like, that it must be perfect because you like it. it's a company, it's out to make a profit, like drug companies, car companies, or other software companies. if steam didn't exist, this debate wouldn't, things broken by steams inclusion in games wouldn't have occurred, that's the most telling thing. steam/valve did nothing to stop piracy, only made legitimate users suffer...if they didn't exist, never had existed...things would have been much better.

 

Life lesson? Are you honestly that self-righteous to think that just because your opinions differ then mine, I need to be taught a LIFE LESSON because I enjoy steam and use it every day? I never ONCE said that people have no reason to hate steam. I completely understand where SOME people are coming from in regards to some of the issues set forth on this subject... My beef is with the people that are simply hating steam to hate steam.

 

I enjoy steam's service.

 

 

 

 

Bethesda is going to patch the game with or without steam... so blaming steam for the terrible patches is LOLworthy because all steam does is provide a content delivery system for the publisher. To think that steam had ANYTHING to do with the broken patches (minus delivering them to you) is simply WRONG. That isn't an opinion, which is why I can honestly say you are WRONG to think that.

 

Unlike stating opinions and telling my mine are invalid because they differ from yours... I'm telling you how it is. Steam didn't release 1.2... Bethesda did.

 

 

 

 

net goes down, their servers go down, your net goes down=die...so much for 'never' they do not provide a great service, not even to their clients who publish games, if you think they do you're deluded...their drm is a joke, skyrim was cracked before official launch as someone somewhere else posted, after checking it was at least cracked same day it was released within hours. as was the first patch. and read steams eula and tos...carefully...especially about how much they'll support you, or guarantee that their servers will always be there...or what your only legal recourse is should you have a dispute with steam. also, check out how you lease...not buy, seems you were misinformed intentionally...as every steam users is by 'sales' that are actually lease events.

 

Along with... every other game that's been released by major publishers in the past 5 years? Is steam really the bad-guy in this situation... or is the idea of DRM as a whole, the bad idea? You are poking a dead horse and calling it a frog with this one. DRM isn't steam's problem... it's corporate greed that's the problem. Once again, not steam. I won't even comment on how you think I'm "deluded"... silly child.

 

 

 

 

 

I could go on and on and on... but it seems like I'm getting the same from everyone here. Personally attacking someone's character because they have a different opinion from you... welcome to the internet I guess. Trolls will be trolls.

So why are you trolling? The OP asked why people don't like Steam so why are you attacking those who responded?