RUSSIA - A land scarred by the Wars of past

[blaketheman]

well we can only hope people will make this mod Edited December 27, 2011 by blaketheman

[ElijahHouck]

EDIT: Please delete this post. Edited December 27, 2011 by EMH

[LambentEarache]

Even if Russia wasn't involved, the entire planet was destroyed. Nearly every country had bombs, and every country recieved them.

 

Taken from the opening from Fallout 2:

 

War. War never changes.

 

The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.

 

The earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of nuclear fire rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.

 

A quiet darkness fell across the planet, lasting many years. Few survived the devastation. Some had been fortunate enough to reach safety, taking shelter in great underground vaults. When the great darkness passed, these vaults opened, and their inhabitants emerged to begin their lives again

 

 

 

But a mod doesn't always have to be politcally correct. I'm using modern assault rifles, so I would still play this.

[devinpatterson]

Even if Russia wasn't involved, the entire planet was destroyed. Nearly every country had bombs, and every country recieved them.

 

OK, well we know the entire planet wasn't destroyed. We know they are people all along the west coast, the mojave etc. Nor do we know that every country had and received bombs, that's not detailed by lore. There may even be isolated areas untouched by nukes.

 

The earth was nearly wiped clean of life. ----- Few survived the devastation.

 

Even in the intro they say few survived.

 

But a mod doesn't always have to be politcally correct. I'm using modern assault rifles, so I would still play this.

 

Sure, but I'm curious about this project, that's why I'm asking if you have any actual info that contradicts the wiki (which is essentially our source for canon, pieced together from the fallout franchise and developer blogs) regarding Russia? I like to work within lore, and this seems like an open and shut case. Is there something I'm missing that has you convinced that Russia was left just a cinder, as opposed to the info in the vault wiki?

 

EDIT: P.S. Don't mean to belabor the point, nor is it a personal attack against you or your assertion, just trying to get to the bottom of things.

Edited December 27, 2011 by devinpatterson

[devinpatterson]

 

The whole 1950's feel of Fallout's America is really in it's culture. Of course, this has been shown several times in the canon lore to actually be a thin veil over a very corrupt and very dystopian society, akin to Orwell's vision of the world in the novel 1984.

 

Culturally speaking, it seems that the most quintessentially "American" time of our history was emphasized, that being the 1950's. If one were to make a setting in Russia, my point is, they should pick the most quintessentially "Russian" time of their history to base everything from.

 

That's the I see it as well; 50's was a sort of "essence" of Americana. A mix of culture, society etc that really defines the fallout U.S.

 

Which is why I suggested the Bolshevik revolution. Not being Russian, myself, this is actually only a guess of what a Russian would consider to be the time where they felt the most "Russian" of any time in their history.

 

I don't have any real knowledge of the era either. But I spent a couple of minutes checking out the revolution. They were essentially born in 1903 and came to power in 1917, just surpassing the Edwardian age. A culture that still used horses in calvary, bi-planes etc. Pretty retro technology-wise even for fallout. And although that's just their tech level, it does influence their culture to some extent. But if you looking for that same cultural outlook there might be another time period that captures a essential period of the USSR's gestalt.

 

The vault wiki says the USSR was intact (communism alive and well), we had strong consular relations, and that they were not in direct conflict with the U.S. (at least during the resource wars, unknown during the great war). Yet we (the fallout u.s.) still had the same heavy propaganda of the Red Scare.

 

I was looking at wikipedia and there's some interesting info on the height of the cold war, specifically during Kennedy's term and the Cuban missile crisis. So the early 60's would be a good fit for the propaganda war on the Russian and American side, and I'm sure that's a large portion of their culture and national psyche at the time. Pics from the red square during the military parades look very iconic, in their pageantry and military showmanship and the whole attitude fits perfectly in the dystopian world view of fallout. It would be a little odd having all that smoke and no fire (massive propaganda, no actual conflict), but the essence of the culture seems like a good fit.

 

But the same caveat applies, I know very little Russian history.

 

 

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Also, to the "haters" saying that this will never happen, I would point to the fact that Mothership Zeta Crew does in fact have a mission set in Russia. Moscow, of all places. So it can and in fact has been done. It doesn't need to be on the scale of Fallout New Vegas or even one of the DLCs. But once the landmass has been created and set, what do you want to bet that the Russian modders would have a field day filling it with whatever they could?

 

You could get away with a single small town & interiors in a mini-world space and the parent worldspace. You don't even have to populate or landscape the parent worldspace if none of the geographical features are visible above the towns barrier (whether that's a wall, collapsed buildings, whatever). That's the way the strip is done.

 

One thing that might really add to it would be Russian accented voice actors. Of course the USSR was such a large place, it has a ton of accents (Baltic, Armenian, Georgian etc etc).

[Jeoshua]

I am picturing tattered propaganda posters from a by-gone era smeared with revolutionary graffiti. Join the people's revolution, with "LIARS" smeared over the top in blood. An Enclave-like entity claiming to be the last bastion of the right and true Soviet government, meanwhile just being yet another petty remnant of a destroyed world, clinging to false entitlement and big guns.

 

Meanwhile the people live as they always have, doing what they need to survive. Life is as harsh as it was anywhere, but survival somewhat less assured. The young and inexperienced among them speak of far away lands in which one might be free of the fear and oppression, but their elders know it to be just another lie. The wisest among them trust nothing but what they can touch with their own hands: A plow, a potato, or a rifle.

 

Over the old capitol building a flag still flies... tattered but still there, as a reminder of the time that once was, and the promises that were never kept, and mistakes never to be repeated.

 

But underneath it all something is stirring. And War.... War has a way of suprising you when you least expect it.

 

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NOW IMAGINE THAT IN THE VOICE OF RON PERLMAN!

[Hotcake]

So, would you be a whole new character in this mod, or would you be the courier?

[nofear88]

I dont think a new character would be nesessary. I think something of a Soviet Sub, found in an underground Cave connected to the Colorado River would be something to start off with, like that Chinese sub seen in pointlook out but only this Sub was in much better condition. You have that B42 Bomber plane at the bottom of lake meed and the Boomers still manage to salvage it though they had spare parts.

 

All the crew could be long since dead but the electronics are still 90% operational and it would be powered by some Super-secret Soviet nuclear fusion that could have alien origins (something similar seen in Transformers: Dark of the Moon which is the Cause of Chernobl)

 

In regards to the actual setting, since Russia is F**king huge in regards to square miles, temperate zones and such, it could be anywhere that is hospitable AND since the USSR did not disolve, the countries that in this universe who where former Soviet states could be candidates for a setting.

 

I was thinking a large unspoilt Snowbound Wilderness where snow laden Evergreen trees dominated the region and you could be unlukcyenough to come across a Polar Yao Gui or some such or Abominable Deathclaw.

 

The only signs of civilisation would be scattered settlements of nomadic Mongolian Khans, a great old but largely intact Soviet Military base over run with Soviet robots, Former-Soviet Feral Ghouls and so forth that is abundant with weapons like AKs Dragunovs and ammo aswell a high tech energy weapon research plant and a Soviet styled Power armor divistion.

 

Think Groznyj Grad (Russian: грозныйград) from the Metal Gear Solid 3 game, but a bit more weathered and slightly irradiated. Could look at aspects such as Chernobl and other places for a better idea.

 

I have yet to play STALKER and I am sure that would be a major help with settings, enviroment and so forth.

 

It HAS to be a Snow setting.

[LambentEarache]

If you have questions about Fallout in general, tweet Chris Avellone or read the Fallout Bible.

[devinpatterson]

If you have questions about Fallout in general, tweet Chris Avellone or read the Fallout Bible.

 

Yeah I'll try to do that, but I don't have a twitter account, nor do i have the fallout bible on hand (but I'll try to locate it). But what I'm asking is if you specifically have any info on the USSR that contradicts the wiki. Because if there is, I probably won't be as interested in the project...

 

Part of the challenge is working within lore, so I try to follow those guidelines.

 

EDIT: ok made an account and tweeted Chris;

 

"@ChrisAvellone Hi Chris. re: USSR. Vault wiki says status unknown, I'm thinking wasteland, another member believes completely lifeless."

Edited December 27, 2011 by devinpatterson