Homeschooling

[freddycashmercury]

Quick question Dusk, and then I'm gone. Maybe.

 

If the average person is not qualified to teach the subject matter, and therefore not able to appropiately educate their children, why do homeschoolers do so much better in both standardized tests and college? Your argument of "Standardized tests suck." is a cop-out, because even if they do suck, we do much better on them than public-schoolers. Unless you are going to say either A: All homeschoolers are lucky, B: All homeschoolers cheat, or C: Standardized tests are biased towards homeschoolers, I don't see how the quality of standardized tests applies.

[Duskrider]

As I had pointed out earlier, if we were to actually jail parents for not teaching their children "properly" on the basis that's it's considered child abuse, we should also jail the teachers too.

 

And as I pointed out already, your argument is wrong, for two reasons:

 

1) There is a difference in offenses here. The teacher is merely incompetent (though a lot of this has to do with the rest of the system, there's a limit to how much any one teacher can fix in a single year). The parent is incompetent AND has made the conscious choice to refuse to allow someone better qualified to do the job.

 

 

2) Actually throwing the parents in jail would be reserved for the worst offenses. For example, if you teach your children to be racists, well, I hope you like your new prison boyfriends, because I'm not feeling one bit of guilt for you.

[Guest]

Why would a parent not use the resources available to them? According to the National Center for Education Statistics, only about 30% of homeschooling parents said they homeschooled for religious reasons.

 

Most choose to homeschool their children because they believe they can do a better job than a public school can.

 

So what would be the motivation for a parent not using the resources they have? I absolutely agree that there is the opportunity for parents to do this, but does it actually happen?

[Duskrider]

Freddycashmercury, I'll get to your post when I address the other guy's claims about statistics. I have to take a while to look over them and get a solid argument. These other posts are just easy and quick to answer. I promise I'll get to yours eventually though.

 

 

So what would be the motivation for a parent not using the resources they have? I absolutely agree that there is the opportunity for parents to do this, but does it actually happen?

 

Read your own post: about 30% of homeschooling parents said they homeschooled for religious reasons.

 

 

30% is way too many! This is exactly my point... homeschooling is a system where 30% of the teachers can say "**** you" to the standards, factual truth, etc, and teach whatever the hell they want. And nobody holds them accountable for screwing up their childrens' educations.

 

 

And mandatory disclaimer: this would be true even if it wasn't for religious reasons. The issue is overruling the professionals for your personal ideological reasons, not any specific point of religion. I would feel the same way if it was 30% doing it to teach the proper communist worldview, the tinfoil hat crowd trying to protect children from the Evil Government Conspiracy, etc. The ONLY justifiable reason for homeschooling is if the parents can objectively do a better job.

[Guest]

So according to you, since my parents taught me that creationism was correct, my entire education was a complete and utter failure.

 

Right?

 

 

If so, what ramifications should this be having on my life?

[Abramul]

So according to you, since my parents taught me that creationism was correct, my entire education was a complete and utter failure.

 

Right?

 

 

If so, what ramifications should this be having on my life?

The question, if I understand Dusk's line of argument, is more whether they chose not to teach you what the theory of evolution says, and why those whose fields it's relevant to consider it to be good enough.

 

(My apologies for crimes against grammar.)

[ResidentWeevil2077]

Dusk, don't be a blowhard - it's clear that everyone else who posted in this thread doesn't exactly share your views or opinions or beliefs or whatever else you have to throw at us. Here's something for you to ponder - just because you figure you're smarter than everyone else, does that mean you have a right to carry on like your better than us? Or are you that conceited you have your head so far up in the clouds you can't see or hear our reasoning? I'd suggest you go plaster you opinions somewhere else, and quit cluttering up our forums with complete and utter nonsense.

[Duskrider]

So according to you, since my parents taught me that creationism was correct, my entire education was a complete and utter failure.

 

Not your entire education, you may still have a good education in other areas. But in biology, yes, your "education" is a complete and utter failure. Unless you have done some serious work to make up for it and learn evolution properly, you are at the same level as my dog.

 

And no, I don't care about those other areas. I will not settle for an "education" that is only good in some areas, I expect a complete education.

 

If so, what ramifications should this be having on my life?

 

 

1) You are utterly ignorant of a major aspect of our modern understanding of the world. I would say that knowledge for its own sake is a good thing... I can't understand why anyone would not want to know the answer to this kind of question.

 

2) If you had any plans of going into any career related to biology, or really, science in general, you are laughably unqualified. Now, this may be an acceptable loss, if you are an adult (you don't have your age listed), but you do not have the right to make that decision for your children.

 

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Dusk, don't be a blowhard - it's clear that everyone else who posted in this thread doesn't exactly share your views or opinions or beliefs or whatever else you have to throw at us.

 

Your point? Factual debates are not a popularity contest. I don't care if you have a million fanboys worshipping every word you speak, you are still wrong.

 

Here's something for you to ponder - just because you figure you're smarter than everyone else, does that mean you have a right to carry on like your better than us?

 

It's not a question of who's smarter than who. The things we're talking about here are not difficult to understand. Seriously, we're talking about middle-school level biology here, there's really no excuse for not getting this.

 

Or are you that conceited you have your head so far up in the clouds you can't see or hear our reasoning?

 

I see your reasoning, if you can call it that. This does not make you right.

 

At least a couple of the other posters attempt to present some hard facts for their side and make a debate of it. You've just spammed your anti-intellectual nonsense as if you've actually found some deep philosophical insight. But you haven't. You've just discovered the proper way to ensure a nice minimum wage service job for you and your children.

 

Now go fetch me my hamburger. And yes, I want fries with it.

[ResidentWeevil2077]

So according to you, since my parents taught me that creationism was correct, my entire education was a complete and utter failure.

 

Not your entire education, you may still have a good education in other areas. But in biology, yes, your "education" is a complete and utter failure. Unless you have done some serious work to make up for it and learn evolution properly, you are at the same level as my dog.

 

And no, I don't care about those other areas. I will not settle for an "education" that is only good in some areas, I expect a complete education.

Contradictory - if you don't care about those other areas, then you won't have a complete education. And what is your definition of complete education? Does it include English? Art? Social Studies?

 

If so, what ramifications should this be having on my life?

 

 

1) You are utterly ignorant of a major aspect of our modern understanding of the world. I would say that knowledge for its own sake is a good thing... I can't understand why anyone would not want to know the answer to this kind of question.

 

2) If you had any plans of going into any career related to biology, or really, science in general, you are laughably unqualified. Now, this may be an acceptable loss, if you are an adult (you don't have your age listed), but you do not have the right to make that decision for your children.

Someone can always upgrade their science courses if they're not sufficient enough - did you think of that?

 

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Dusk, don't be a blowhard - it's clear that everyone else who posted in this thread doesn't exactly share your views or opinions or beliefs or whatever else you have to throw at us.

 

Your point? Factual debates are not a popularity contest. I don't care if you have a million fanboys worshipping every word you speak, you are still wrong.

When did I mention the word "fanboy"? Not once, and this isn't about being popular - it's about why you claim homeschooling doesn't work.

 

Here's something for you to ponder - just because you figure you're smarter than everyone else, does that mean you have a right to carry on like your better than us?

 

It's not a question of who's smarter than who. The things we're talking about here are not difficult to understand. Seriously, we're talking about middle-school level biology here, there's really no excuse for not getting this.

Again contradictory - we weren't talking about middle-class biology, we're talking about college/university-level science. Read your own posts.

 

Or are you that conceited you have your head so far up in the clouds you can't see or hear our reasoning?

 

I see your reasoning, if you can call it that. This does not make you right.

 

At least a couple of the other posters attempt to present some hard facts for their side and make a debate of it. You've just spammed your anti-intellectual nonsense as if you've actually found some deep philosophical insight. But you haven't. You've just discovered the proper way to ensure a nice minimum wage service job for you and your children.

How is that? How have I secured a minimum wage job? I don't see why this has anything to do with the topic. FYI, while I admit I'm not anywhere near the level of education as you, I did complete my Gr. 12 (in public school).

[ResidentWeevil2077]

Now go fetch me my hamburger. And yes, I want fries with it.

I wouldn't serve the likes of you for being an ass of a customer.