Loot not detecting a mod clash but CTD? too high of a demand? should I remove some mods?

[vincemario]

Using loot and mod manager but can't seem to figure out what is clashing here. Am I simply pushing my computer too hard?

AMD Radeon R9 M390X

Intel® Core i7-4710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz

16 GB ram

 

Load order:

 

SKSE

DLC

SKYUI

Alternate start

climates of tamriel

enhanced blood textures

No spinning death

realistic ragdolls

dead body collision fix

immersive weapons

2k textures

unofficial skyrim legendary patch

static mesh improvement mod

Dance of death

amazing follower tweaks

bandolier

eyes of beauty
better females

immersive creatures

immersive patrols

apocalypse

water water and terrain enhancement

left hand rings

organized bandits in skyrim

unread books glow

better sorting

superior lore friendly hair hd textures

ruins clutter improved

ordinator perks of skyrim

skyrim enhanced camera

archery gameplay overhaul

the asteria

more dragon loot

glowing ore veins 300

improved dragon shouts

dragon soul relinquishment

faster mining

all towns and villages enhance mods

campfire

hunterborn

wearable lanterns

complete alchemy and cooking overhaul

convient horses

sofia companion

arissa companion

cerwiden companion

Immersive armors

mirai companion

melt down everything

wolf follower

run for your liveds

adventurers and travelers

wisemans flora fixes

apachiiskyhair

beards

bellyaches hd dragon replacer pack

bijin warmaidens

brows

cloacks of skyrim

dimonized UNP

forgotten dungeons

molag bals inferno dungeon

NMUBS all in one no more bronze shine

Race Menu

Real Girls Realistic Body Texture

Show race Menu Precache Killer

UNP Blessed Body

UNP Female Armors

 

 

looking for a fix, or if that is simply too many mods for the computer to handle.

[vincemario]

Really want to fix want to have everything work willing to donate $ for time if that isn't against rules if so let me know and I will delete this topic thank you.

[snelss0]

1. If you are using LOOT (which you should be) click on the 3 dots in the upper right and select, "Copy Load Order", then paste it here. We need to see how your mods are organized, not what mods you have.

2. Also, are you using NMM or MO?

Edited November 16, 2016 by snelss0

[vincemario]

1. 0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Campfire.esm

7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

8 8 CompanionArissa.esm

9 9 WM Flora Fixes.esp

10 a MolagBalsInferno.esm

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c SkyUI.esp

13 d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

14 e dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

15 f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

16 10 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

17 11 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

18 12 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

19 13 UnreadBooksGlow.esp

20 14 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp

21 15 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp

22 16 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp

23 17 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

24 18 Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

25 19 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

26 1a Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

27 1b Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

28 1c Dr_Bandolier.esp

29 1d Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp

30 1e Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Light Weight).esp

31 1f Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Light Weight).esp

32 20 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp

33 21 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp

34 22 Convenient Horses.esp

35 23 AdventurersAndTravelers.esp

36 24 TAVEWindhelm.esp

37 25 Forgotten Dungeons.esp

38 26 OBIS.esp

39 27 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

40 28 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

41 29 zMirai.esp

42 2a TownsAndCitiesEnhanced.esp

43 2b The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp

44 2c Run For Your Lives.esp

45 2d OBISDB.esp

46 2e TAVESolitude.esp

47 2f Cloaks.esp

48 30 Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

49 31 Dead Body Collision.esp

50 32 SMIM-Merged-All.esp

51 33 SofiaFollower.esp

52 34 Hunterborn.esp

53 35 Immersive Patrols II.esp

54 36 LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp

55 37 LeftHandRings.esp

56 38 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

57 39 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

58 3a Melt_Down_Everything.esp

59 3b AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

60 3c Immersive Weapons.esp

61 3d CerwidenCompanion.esp

62 3e WhiterunInEnhanced.esp

63 3f RiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.esp

64 40 TAVERiften.esp

65 41 Snow (Wolf Companion).esp

66 42 WolfFollower.esp

67 43 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

68 44 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp

69 45 moredragonloot.esp

70 46 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

71 47 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

72 48 RaceMenu.esp

73 49 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

74 4a Bijin Warmaidens.esp

75 4b Brows.esp

76 4c Beards.esp

77 4d Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

2. MO

Thank you snelss0

[snelss0]

1. I suggest you utilize an skse.ini if you are not already. It can help with your memory allocation.
2. Dance of death is outdated, use Violens
3. Since you are using MO, ensure that your left load order matches your right. Generally, my Load order for MO is this:
Skyrim
Update
Dawnguard
Hearthfire
Dragonborn
USLEEP
SKSE Scripts (make sure these are properly installed and if you don't have it, you better get it)
[Any mods that are utilities] (Bug fixes, safety load, better messagebox controls,...)
[Custom Body Meshes]
[Custom Body Textures]
[All other ESPs]
[Animations]
[Custom Skeleton](Xp32mse,...)
Alternate Start
Bashed Patch (If using Wrye Bash)
Dual Sheath Patch (if Using it)
RSPatch (Last almost always)

I will organize my left and right panes to match the above order, then sort the right pane with LOOT, then organize the left pane to match the right.

4. Assuming you knew all that, you do have some script heavy mods. I think Immersive Patrols 2, Immersive Creatures, Apocalypse, and Ordinator. While Immersive uses small scripts, it uses a lot of them, and I'd just check on their compatibility as I'm not sure that all of these are actually compatible with each other. I don't use them, but they may be something to check on. Generally with mods that use the same section or alter things you will probably want to use Wrye Bash and see if it wants to make a bashed Patch. Keep in mind I'm pretty new to modding, but that's just what I'm seeing here. Maybe go through your mods and make sure you don't have incompatibilities listed on their mod pages.

 

5. You do have some equipment mods that also may conflict: Melt down everything and complete alchemy and cooking. Double check to see if these work in combination fine. I imagine one just works on ores, but maybe it will touch on the other mod a little.

 

6. Make sure that once you've moved or removed a mod from your game, you start a new game. Skyrim bakes scripts into your save, and when you move a mod or delete it, it can still be looking for it and cause CTDs. It's okay to add a mod to an active game unless specified otherwise by the mod author, but if you ever want to remove it and keep playing that save, you should load back to when you installed it.

[panurgy]

4. Assuming you knew all that, you do have some script heavy mods. I think Immersive Patrols 2, Immersive Creatures, Apocalypse, and Ordinator. While Immersive uses small scripts, it uses a lot of them, and I'd just check on their compatibility as I'm not sure that all of these are actually compatible with each other. I don't use them, but they may be something to check on. Generally with mods that use the same section or alter things you will probably want to use Wrye Bash and see if it wants to make a bashed Patch. Keep in mind I'm pretty new to modding, but that's just what I'm seeing here. Maybe go through your mods and make sure you don't have incompatibilities listed on their mod pages.

Your advice is really solid, but I just wanted to pipe in that I use IP2, SIC, Apoc, and Ordinator in pretty much every game (I pull Apoc when playing pure warrior or thief), and they're stable together. I've used SIC and IP2 together in every single game I've played since they first got released. It's possible that they might cause problems on a budget PC, but I'd look elsewhere first. IP2 spawns a lot of NPCs for it's battles, so that could stress out a system. (I'm using them with ETaC, too, FWIW, no problems.)

 

Also, if Adventurers and Travelers is the mod I'm thinking of, there are a lot of bug reports about it, and it hasn't been updated in a long time (wouldn't matter if not for the bugs). You might want to read through the posts for that mod.

 

And finally, IIRC The Asteria has hundreds of dirty edits. You should clean it with TES5Edit if you haven't.

[vincemario]

In mod organizer is the left and right pane matching important?

 

 

also made a wyre patch today.

 

Edit: Still a CTD as soon as a get outside of solitude from the carriage heading towards the dock. Maybe I need to sort the right and left panels in MO? Here's what I have loot showing me.

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

6 6 Campfire.esm

7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

8 8 CompanionArissa.esm

9 9 WM Flora Fixes.esp

10 a MolagBalsInferno.esm

11 b ApachiiHair.esm

12 c SkyUI.esp

13 d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

14 e dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

15 f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

16 10 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp

17 11 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

18 12 UnreadBooksGlow.esp

19 13 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp

20 14 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp

21 15 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp

22 16 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp

23 17 Improved Dragon Shouts.esp

24 18 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp

25 19 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

26 1a Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

27 1b Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp

28 1c Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Light Weight).esp

29 1d Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Light Weight).esp

30 1e Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp

31 1f Convenient Horses.esp

32 20 TAVEWindhelm.esp

33 21 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

34 22 Melt_Down_Everything.esp

35 23 RaceMenu.esp

36 24 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

37 25 Brows.esp

38 26 Beards.esp

39 27 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

40 28 Dr_Bandolier.esp

41 29 Forgotten Dungeons.esp

42 2a Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

43 2b Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

44 2c Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

45 2d WATER.esp

46 2e zMirai.esp

47 2f TownsAndCitiesEnhanced.esp

48 30 Run For Your Lives.esp

49 31 TAVESolitude.esp

50 32 Cloaks.esp

51 33 Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

52 34 Dead Body Collision.esp

53 35 SMIM-Merged-All.esp

54 36 SofiaFollower.esp

55 37 Hunterborn.esp

56 38 Immersive Patrols II.esp

57 39 LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp

58 3a LeftHandRings.esp

59 3b Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

60 3c Immersive Weapons.esp

61 3d AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

62 3e CerwidenCompanion.esp

63 3f WhiterunInEnhanced.esp

64 40 RiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.esp

65 41 TAVERiften.esp

66 42 Snow (Wolf Companion).esp

67 43 WolfFollower.esp

68 44 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

69 45 moredragonloot.esp

70 46 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

71 47 Bijin Warmaidens.esp

72 48 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp

Edit: Attempted basic cleaning on mods that said it was needed....testing

Edited November 17, 2016 by vincemario

[snelss0]

1. Test on a new save. Your old one will likely still have the same issues as it did.

2. Ensure you have run LOOT. You mods are out of order. Make sure that after you run it, you hit "Apply".

3. On the left pane, even though most mods with mirror the right pane, you can sort your textures to how you want them to be applied, such as, if I wanted WATER to overwrite what SMIM does, then I put that lower on the list than SMIM. For the most part, the right pane will sort as LOOT desire it to be sorted though.

4. If you don't know what you are doing when it comes to cleaning mods, make sure you get advice and watch on youtube how to do it properly.

[vincemario]

That's strange I copied and pasted that load order directly from the Loot copy to clipboard but they still look wrong? I did extensively watch the cleaning videos through youtube. The crashing near solitude has stopped but doing one final test right now.

 

Thanks for pointing out Viola too it is extremely better. All the help is very appreciated so far much farther than I thought I would get. I've been ready to give up many times and have watched hours of videos of what to do.

Edited November 17, 2016 by vincemario

[snelss0]

If you had hit Apply when running LOOT, it would have definitely put Alternate start.esp at the very bottom, but since it is up there, I know you didn't hit Apply. Go into the program, hit SORT and wait for it to finish, then there will be a white button that says "APPLY". Hit that and then you are good.

 

No problem, I enjoy helping where I can.