Immersion - Computers

[jjb54]

I know some of you do not know me, and that's fine. I do have a few people here that do know me and come to me in PM's for troubleshooting their games and mods.

 

I'm just going to address to problems that seem to be, again, surfacing in no small way.

 

I love immersion as well as the next guy. But a common question I ask myself and those who I help:

How much immersion is TOO MUCH immersion?

 

Case in point: Textures.

 

Hey, I enjoy textures I do. SMIM's a MUST HAVE. But .... when a couple of users were going " crazy wild " with Texture mods, for " immersion " ... I looked at their Mod list and Textures for Mugs, Candles, Silver and so on.

 

I had to ask, " Seriously? How often do you actually pay attention to a mug??? "

 

Their ' overkill ' of texture mods were cutting into a serious loss of FPS. ( Frames Per Second ).

 

Bottom Line: KNOW YOUR COMPUTER's LIMITATIONS.

 

.. Know what your graphics card can handle and when it's getting pushed to the limits.

 

.. Know your CPU's limits.

 

.. Know your Power Supply Limitation. ( We found one player's Power Supply was over heating, in that it was not the right one for all the stuff he was running. He had to upgrade to a better Power Supply.

 

There is one mod in Vanilla that allows you to have Skinning animation and such, but also allows the user to turn it off. Some found it ' too much '.

 

.. Jj ...

[repusDude]

Some people may pay attention in such texture details especially if they are searching a perfect surrounding for screenshot archery to show off in Nexus image gallery, imgur, Flickr, Reddit, or DeviantArt.

[jjb54]

Some people may pay attention in such texture details especially if they are searching a perfect surrounding for screenshot archery to show off in Nexus image gallery, imgur, Flickr, Reddit, or DeviantArt.

 

Yes, you are correct. :)

[wfandrews]

I have just read your post on textures and as you seem much more knowledgeable about computers and the hardware than I am I was wondering if you could answer a question for me.I have been playing Skyrim for some time and in my last profile with only 83 mods it runs between 50 and 55 degrees C which, from what I understand, is a comfortable cpu range. When I started playing SSE I could play it on Ultra at first although it did run slightly hotter at first however when I added only 39 mods none of which were texture mods it started to run about twenty degrees hotter than original Skyrim. The last time I played it I got a CTD which I believe was caused by over-heating as I checked the temp after the CTD and it was at 75 C; I use Core Temp.I am playing on Windows 7 HP, SP1 with a GA-78LMT-USB3 motherboard, 16 gig DDR3 memory, a GTX 970 gpu, 500 gig SSD storage, a 750 Watt power source, and a AMD FX 8320-Vishera cpu. My question is do you think I need a better cooling system or is some other factor at play that would cause this over-heating.

[L3s7ing]

I wouldn't call 75 degrees over-heating... A cpu can run pretty stable at higher temps. And 75 degrees shouldn't cause ctd's.

My cpu runs up to 68 degrees with water cooling and I wouldn't change anything about it.

Edited November 24, 2016 by L3s7ing

[goranpaa]

An effective cpu cooler is always a good thing even if you do not plan to overclock. The stock cpu coolers are'nt much to cheer about really. You always have the raised temperatures during the hot summer days to take into consideration too. And then such a 3:rd party cooler can make a real difference. I have a CoolerMaster Hyper Evo 212 cpu cooler for my at stock speed AMD FX 6300. And i have never seen a temperature exceeding 45 Celsius.

 

But you can by pretty simple means improve your overall hardware temperature by tidy up the cable clutter inside the case to get a better airflow. Also seal any unused case fan opening will improve the air pressure and keep some dust from creeping in at the same time.

 

Install better case fans with as high CFM as possible without sacrificing the low noise is another thing you can do. Fans from Noctua and Fractal Design are good and silent for example.

 

If you just have rear, exhaust case fans and put washable airfilters for the front, intake fan openings instead. You will get better airflow thru your case too. Side fans is'nt recommended as such a fan will disrupt the airflow from the front to the back of the case.

 

Clean out the dust every 3.rd month at least is another way to keep the temperatures down. Never use a vacuum cleaner for this though! The cleaner nozzle can trigger a static surge that is harmful for the hardware. Use a bottle of compressed air instead and very slightly moistered cotton pins. Unplug the computer 5 minutes before you do this.

Edited November 24, 2016 by goranpaa

[goranpaa]

I know some of you do not know me, and that's fine. I do have a few people here that do know me and come to me in PM's for troubleshooting their games and mods.

 

I'm just going to address to problems that seem to be, again, surfacing in no small way.

 

I love immersion as well as the next guy. But a common question I ask myself and those who I help:

 

How much immersion is TOO MUCH immersion?

 

Case in point: Textures.

 

Hey, I enjoy textures I do. SMIM's a MUST HAVE. But .... when a couple of users were going " crazy wild " with Texture mods, for " immersion " ... I looked at their Mod list and Textures for Mugs, Candles, Silver and so on.

 

I had to ask, " Seriously? How often do you actually pay attention to a mug??? "

 

Their ' overkill ' of texture mods were cutting into a serious loss of FPS. ( Frames Per Second ).

 

Bottom Line: KNOW YOUR COMPUTER's LIMITATIONS.

 

.. Know what your graphics card can handle and when it's getting pushed to the limits.

 

.. Know your CPU's limits.

 

.. Know your Power Supply Limitation. ( We found one player's Power Supply was over heating, in that it was not the right one for all the stuff he was running. He had to upgrade to a better Power Supply.

 

There is one mod in Vanilla that allows you to have Skinning animation and such, but also allows the user to turn it off. Some found it ' too much '.

 

.. Jj ...

 

 

I must admit that I'm an eye candy junkie. :smile: And is quite into every aspect of the graphics even if it's just about the looks of a wooden barrell.

 

But that does'nt mean that I'm not aware of what my cpu, video card and power supply can handle and whats not?

 

So for large objects like mountains and cliffs for example I stick to 1K mods. Likewise when it comes to trees and LODs. But for mid sized and small objects I run 2K mods.

 

And I would never sacrifice a smooth fps for an uber great looking game in 4K and then have a sluggish game running as a result.

Edited November 24, 2016 by goranpaa

[jones177]

Hi

 

If your CPU gets hot it will throttle back & you will loose frame rate. This happen to me twice with the old game. Frame rate went from 60 to 20. Both times it was dust in the heat sync. I am lazy so I only clean it every 6 months. That is probably why it has over heated twice.

 

The problem I see at 4k resolution & this game is that the effects to hide the ugly distant scenes will robe too much GPU time. With the old game playing at 4k with ENB & just enough DoF to hide the ugly got me less than 20fps with a GTX 980 ti. Even with a GTX 1080 that game was still not playable.

Vanilla Skyrim Se runs perfectly smooth at 60fps at 4k with a single 980 ti. A few textures will not slow it down.

 

Right now the game looks better at 1440 resolution just like the old Skyrim did. Distant scenes are less of an issue & you can use ENB/Reshades with descant frame rate.

 

I think a lot of the terrain textures are really big in this game. Old Skyrim used 1.7gbs vram vanilla, Fallout 4 used 3.2 in my tests. Skyrim SE uses 4.6gbs average vanilla. Also with this game engine textures perform better at higher resolutions. I was shocked that I needed to replace fewer textures at 4k than did at 1080.

 

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[wim1234]

I have just read your post on textures and as you seem much more knowledgeable about computers and the hardware than I am I was wondering if you could answer a question for me.I have been playing Skyrim for some time and in my last profile with only 83 mods it runs between 50 and 55 degrees C which, from what I understand, is a comfortable cpu range. When I started playing SSE I could play it on Ultra at first although it did run slightly hotter at first however when I added only 39 mods none of which were texture mods it started to run about twenty degrees hotter than original Skyrim. The last time I played it I got a CTD which I believe was caused by over-heating as I checked the temp after the CTD and it was at 75 C; I use Core Temp.I am playing on Windows 7 HP, SP1 with a GA-78LMT-USB3 motherboard, 16 gig DDR3 memory, a GTX 970 gpu, 500 gig SSD storage, a 750 Watt power source, and a AMD FX 8320-Vishera cpu. My question is do you think I need a better cooling system or is some other factor at play that would cause this over-heating.

the diff is..the old skyrim is dx9..uses more cpupower

new skyrim is dx11 uses more gpu power..., but usullay also more cpu..basically the se version uses hardwarepower differently.